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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by mothballed »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #34
OpenWaygate wrote: post #14

I live in China, where every mobile game requires age verification. Teenagers can play for up to 1.5h/d on weekends. But as far as I can see, some parents will assist their children to unlock more time on purpose.

Handing over a phone is certainly cheaper than paying for extra childcare, though most likely much less healthy for the child. I suppose idea is that Chinese women will stay at home with the child so the state doesn't have to provide any help?

More like the state (at least in places like USA) cracked down on children roaming freely so now people hide their kids inside playing video games so a Karen doesn't call CPS when mommy has other things to do all day besides play helicopter parent staring down at their kid all day.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by sanitycheck »

mossTechnician wrote: post #20
nonethewiser wrote: post #16

Enforcing laws against porn companies distributing porn to minors seems reasonable. It's already illegal many places, such as the US. It is then their responsibility to gate by age. It has always worked this way for liquor stores or basically anything else age-gated, including some online services like poker. If you dont want to provide age verification you don't have to.

There is a difference between a liquor store checking your ID, and a liquor store scanning your ID, appending it to a record of your purchase, and uploading it to a service to be processed by third parties (such as insurance companies, perhaps). (In the US, the latter occurs more often than you may expect.)

Well, and that service then inevitably being hacked and your ID being distributed and/or sold to miscreants online.

I'm in the UK, I'm normally connected through a VPN these days.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by CafeRacer »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept

There is a similar story with Ford and how they build pavement everywhere and taught the young population that roads are for cars. Now we have to drive for 10 minutes to get from one shop on the plaza to another shop on the different plaza.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by mimimi31 »

cm2187 wrote: post #21
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

Accept the cookies and flush them out every time you close the browser. I think it would be naive anyway to assume that clicking no on a cookie banner would achieve much for your privacy.

So-called "cookie banners" usually ask for your consent to much more than optional tracking cookies. By accepting you might be giving your permission to e.g. track you through various fingerprinting methods, build a profile and share it with advertising partners.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by d--b »

Age and identity verification can and should be done at the country level.

France has an ID service to pay taxes, and they have a network of possible ID verification systems. Like, you can ID through the tax system, or through the healthcare system. It works fine.

Implementing an API that uses the same to provide age verification is not rocket science.

If you need age verification for a website, say "smedia.fr", then you go there, then it makes you get an age verification token to "franceid.gov.fr", that guy gives you back a token, you send the token to smedia.fr which checks the token with franceid.gov.fr

I don't understand how this is even an issue.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by dubeye »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I'm pretty old and was the same as you for about five years, but now I just tick anything, much like the young adults. If they want my info, they can have it. I've not heard a convincing explanation why I, personally, should care

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by OpenWaygate »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #34
OpenWaygate wrote: post #14

I live in China, where every mobile game requires age verification. Teenagers can play for up to 1.5h/d on weekends. But as far as I can see, some parents will assist their children to unlock more time on purpose.

Handing over a phone is certainly cheaper than paying for extra childcare, though most likely much less healthy for the child. I suppose idea is that Chinese women will stay at home with the child so the state doesn't have to provide any help?

The gov does provide some help. But a clearer trend is a lower marriage and birth rate

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by bluGill »

dubeye wrote: post #46
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I'm pretty old and was the same as you for about five years, but now I just tick anything, much like the young adults. If they want my info, they can have it. I've not heard a convincing explanation why I, personally, should care

The problem is most of the time - perhaps all the time - you don't need to care. However you won't know about the exception until it is too late.
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