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Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by yellowapple »

traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

> Do you really need access to banking apps on the go?

Not strictly, no, but it's useful to be able to relatively-quickly check my balances (and possibly shuffle funds around between checking/savings and my credit-union-issued credit card). I could use my credit union's website for that, but it's faster to open the app and scan my thumb.

Thankfully, my credit union's app has no issues with GrapheneOS, aside from needing to enable “exploit protection compatibility mode” to keep it from crashing on startup.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

Valodim wrote: post #37
traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

Mobile apps are how most people do banking these days, and it shows. In my experience banking apps are a lot more maintained and modern than classic online banking interfaces. So you're not just sacrificing "on the go" banking, you are likely sacrificing use of the best interface your bank offers.

Also, most smartphones (especially GrapheneOS, iOS, Pixel, etc) are far more secure than desktops/laptops. So also from a security perspective it's better to do banking on a phone.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by ryncewynd »

vbezhenar wrote: post #8

TBH What I wanted from the world is AOSP distribution. Built similarly to GrapheneOS in terms of distribution, ease of install. But I just don't feel I need all these privacy enhancements and stuff, I'm perfectly fine with ordinary system compiled from Google sources with proper update schedule. Also I don't want to see anything installed out of the box, except maybe single app to install AOSP apps, F-Droid, Play Sto…

Same here. I've been trying to find a "plain Android" phone but everything seems heavily customised UI by the manufacturers now.

I just found out today I can't call anymore due to 3G ending in my city

I'm keen for a Motorola Graphene and then just install Google services anyway. For me the value is being freed from manufacturers UI and software

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by traxler »

pietro72ohboy wrote: post #35
traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

I cannot speak for every country but in the Netherlands, your banking app also serves as a 2FA instrument if you place orders with your credit card. A pop-up notification will ask you to confirm if you have indeed placed the order. While I will admit that it is possible to predict such use cases and take your phone along, it is becoming a bit difficult to predict what part of some account or service's login flow will…

Huh, interesting. I only have those 2FA popups for card payments online or in apps, never for payments in stores.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

throawayonthe wrote: post #23
vbezhenar wrote: post #8

TBH What I wanted from the world is AOSP distribution. Built similarly to GrapheneOS in terms of distribution, ease of install. But I just don't feel I need all these privacy enhancements and stuff, I'm perfectly fine with ordinary system compiled from Google sources with proper update schedule. Also I don't want to see anything installed out of the box, except maybe single app to install AOSP apps, F-Droid, Play Sto…

tbh it sounds like you do want grapheneos :p it's very minimal ootb and has a better update schedule than 95% of oems (alas) you can install google play store & services from the app store, and pretty much everything will just work as you might imagine

it's very minimal ootb and has a better update schedule than 95% of oems (alas)

Any OEM right? Google is the fastest OEM with Pixel and GrapheneOS often rolls out patches earlier than Google (not bound by a monthly schedule + they do embargoed patches when you use the right branch).

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by prmoustache »

oerdier wrote: post #21
unethical_ban wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a European thing? Why not use a credit card?

I think it's healthy for a population to not have as part of day-to-day life to pay with credit, effectively paying with money you might not actually have, going into debt. How many US citizens are crippled by credit card debt, and the interest on it?

Using debit or credit cards is unrelated to the UX. Both are available with google wallet or physically.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by karlosvomacka »

traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

yes. I pay with bank transfer on regular basis. Merchant generates a QR code, I scan it with my banking app and I pay him.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

pjmlp wrote: post #30

While this is good news, the cynical in me is waiting for Motorola GrapheneOS, with the changes that make it actually relevant for normies, and then the whole idea goes the way of netbooks.

GrapheneOS had an estimated 400,000 users three months ago (based on update downloads) and the user base seems to be growing quite fast. I think for Motorola, potentially a few million users buying flagships for GrapheneOS are a very attractive market. So, I'm not cynical.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by prmoustache »

franga2000 wrote: post #28
oerdier wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's healthy for a population to not have as part of day-to-day life to pay with credit, effectively paying with money you might not actually have, going into debt. How many US citizens are crippled by credit card debt, and the interest on it?

It's not about credit/debit, it's about phone/card. Americans tend to use "credit card" as a generic term for payment cards. And yes, phone NFC payment is one of those technically unnecessary conveniences that's really easy to get used to. You probably already have your phone out or at least accessible in like one second, paying with it instead of pulling out your wallet and finding a card or even cash is just sooo n…

In my case sliding my card out of my wallet is faster than unlocking my phone given the lack of consistency of the fingerprint reader of my google pixel when using my smartphone case (and I am too clumsy to use a smartphone without a case covering both sides, broke too many screenw already). Some people just leave the card on their smartphone case too.

I also see a lot of people struggling because they need to pay while being on a call or because their smartphone is just way too big to be handled comfortably with one hand given the size of their hands.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by prmoustache »

skeptic_ai wrote: post #5

I’ve tried but: couldn’t get my card to work on wallet. Can’t verify. Uber couldn’t verify payment so I couldn’t take a ride when needed.

I think the second problem is unrelated to the smartphone OS. You can use Uber using only the website, a smartphone is not even needed to use it.
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