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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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There's absolutely no reason to use /e/ when GrapheneOS exists. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

But GrapheneOS doesn't exist. It works only on a few devices created by Google, so their claim of being degoogled is a bit funny.

The post about Graphene partnering with Motorola is right about this one, currently, (Lenovo bought Motorola from Google in 2014.), so that point will no longer be valid as soon as they ship something.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47214645

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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post #4

I wonder how this compares to GrapheneOS in practice. >Operated by Murena, your Murena Workspace account @murena.io is at the centre of the ecosystem, allowing to store, back up and retrieve your data safely on remote servers. This sounds like their version is somewhat married to Murena. While probably better than Google, still not independent. They're also advertising features such as "hiding your IP address [...] w…

I'm on /e/OS and don't use Murena Workspace (which I think is just a Nextcloud instance that they host). For the past couple of years in which I've used it, I have felt zero pressure to use Murena Workspace. Though I imagine it might be neat if you host your own Nextcloud instance, which might be nicely integrated too.

(That said, yes, I don't quite trust their VPN or app store, since it's unclear who's running it - in the latter's case, I imagine that's also a legal matter.)

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it Source?

Brave said they'll try to maintain limited support for MV2 for only 4 specific extensions, but recommend Brave Shields as the go-to adblocker for the future. Google is about to remove most of the MV2 code from the codebase, which will explode the complexity soon. https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

Brave has perverse incentives to discontinue it because of their BAT crypto business model that rewards looking at ads.

Unfortunately even the fully open source Firefox isn't immune to the pressure from the advertising industry, with all their Google funding and their purchase of anonym.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Not that it matters but I just noticed certain titles on their website can be edited. For example the text "Use our /e/OS Installer" can be modified and I noticed it because I accidentally pasted my clipboard there. I suppose contenteditable should be set to "false".

fuck me i'm doing work even though i should be working right now

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

#46
post #2

There's absolutely no reason to use /e/ when GrapheneOS exists. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Even on non-pixel devices, unless you really want to use the /e/ "ecosystem, there are probably better options like LineageOS for microG iodéOS.

(/e/ used to be heavily based on an outdated version of LineageOS for microG. I'm not sure what the current state is after I settled on second-hand pixel with graphene)

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

#47
post #40

Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Look at the AdBlocker crackdown of Google Chrome. Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it, because it is impossible to maintain features that complex on a browser that Google spends >$1B/year to develop. Same story for /e/ and…

> Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. I appreciate the vibes where this is coming from, but does it really? I think that assumes that everyone that works on this would work on a true open source OS otherwise, and that if they did, that would result in us breaking free from Android where we otherwise wouldn't. I'm not confident about either of those assumptions. Meanwhile I'll keep complainin…

There are more OSS devs active on Android ROMs than OSS devs working on independent mobile OSes. We are running out of time, and we are misallocating ressources.

It's like bailing out water from the Titanic. We should prepare the lifeboats instead.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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post #10

Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Look at the AdBlocker crackdown of Google Chrome. Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it, because it is impossible to maintain features that complex on a browser that Google spends >$1B/year to develop. Same story for /e/ and…

You don't have to use Chrome or Chromium.

The irony of this is that when using Firefox to browse to /e/OS url to check for compatible devices:

https://e.foundation/installer/

I get a pop-up telling me that my browser is not compatible, and I should use Edge, Opera or Chrome. See [1]

[1] https://imgur.com/a/al1Q9DM

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

#49
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to use Chrome or Chromium.

Yes fortunately we have browser alternatives. But on mobile, my bank and my government force me to use the Android/iOS duopoly.

How do they do that? I'm not doubting that, it's an honest question. I understand how this works on Apple phones but I don't understand why an identity or attestation service cannot be replaced by another one by the alternative operating system when the hardware is not controlled by Google. Does Google have keys in tamper-proof chips? How else would those banks determine their apps are on the right phone? Or do those apps use Google authentication directly over the Internet, using hard-coded Google public keys?
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