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U.S. Races to Accomplish Iran Mission Before Munitions Run Out

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Re: U.S. Races to Accomplish Iran Mission Before Munitions Run Out

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Post by davidguetta »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #30
dcel wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK spends around £200bn a year on public healthcare that covers everyone, for a population around 1/5th the size. Scale that up and convert to USD and you’re still well under half the $3tn figure you quoted.

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You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Universal healthcare is the norm in all of west / central europe, it's good quality, accessible for EVERYBODY (including the poors), and doctors still have great quality of life and are rich.

You guys are just getting f** by a mafia in the US and defending it for no factual reasons. Both by the military industrial complex AND the medical field btw.

Re: U.S. Races to Accomplish Iran Mission Before Munitions Run Out

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Post by ParentiSoundSys »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #21
fma wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think OP is talking about a specific war, but the overall cost to maintain such a capability and project force all over the world. At least that is what I perceive when people lament about lack of healthcare. The United States military budget is now 1.5 trillion dollars per year.

Sure, we could just not have a military and hold hands with Russia and China and everyone else. We wouldn't need healthcare. We'd just be dead.

Of course it might cost a lot less if we didn't need to pay for unprovoked attacks on countries like Venezuela and Iran.

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Post by [deleted] »

CyanLite2 wrote: post #8
lumost wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If China was to attack Taiwan, now would be the time. The current world order is at least in part based around the notion of the US (and allies) having the military capacity to fight any plausible combination of foes at all times. That this military capacity was used in accordance to a set of rules with input from allies and partners made the system tolerable. If the US lacks the munitions to fight all of these confl…

Fortunately, China just decided to fire most of their military leadership and replaced them with inexperienced, but loyal grunts.

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Re: U.S. Races to Accomplish Iran Mission Before Munitions Run Out

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Post by [deleted] »

koolala wrote: post #6
lumost wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If China was to attack Taiwan, now would be the time. The current world order is at least in part based around the notion of the US (and allies) having the military capacity to fight any plausible combination of foes at all times. That this military capacity was used in accordance to a set of rules with input from allies and partners made the system tolerable. If the US lacks the munitions to fight all of these confl…

Would allies give the US munitions to stop that possible outcome?

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Re: U.S. Races to Accomplish Iran Mission Before Munitions Run Out

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Post by ParentiSoundSys »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #14
eqvinox wrote: post #9

Interesting aspect: if the ammo is all used up in Iran, it can't be sold or given to Ukraine. Tinfoil hat time?

You know who exports a lot of oil and gas NOT through the straight of hormuz?

It's just funny that people can't stomach that their own ruling class is leading them down the primrose path so they have to go casting about for a foreign bogeyman who's making it happen, despite the fact that every major Western power has bent the knee to this action against Iran.

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Post by ParentiSoundSys »

aftbit wrote: post #35

This is reminding us something that we should never have forgotten - modern war has an insatiable demand for munitions. To take just one example out of dozens, the US fired somewhere from 100 to 150 THAAD interceptors - about ¼ of the stockpile - during the 12 days war in 2025. We produce just under 100 per year. There are plans to raise that number to 400 per year. The Ukrainians were expending somewhere around 10,0…

If you don't have an industrial base, you don't have a military. Good thing we hollowed ours out to juice the S&P to 7000!

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Post by ParentiSoundSys »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #17
lupire wrote: post #11

If this is true, the real problem is why the US was so undersupplied in core munitions.

I think the real problem is that the US keeps attacking people at the behest of Israel and to the determent of US citizens.

It's not to the detriment of our ruling classes who have their hands on the actual levers of power.

Re: U.S. Races to Accomplish Iran Mission Before Munitions Run Out

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Post by lumost »

koolala wrote: post #6
lumost wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If China was to attack Taiwan, now would be the time. The current world order is at least in part based around the notion of the US (and allies) having the military capacity to fight any plausible combination of foes at all times. That this military capacity was used in accordance to a set of rules with input from allies and partners made the system tolerable. If the US lacks the munitions to fight all of these confl…

Would allies give the US munitions to stop that possible outcome?

Why give munitions to an unreliable partner? why rely on an unreliable partner for munitions? the Japan/Australia/SK-US-EU/NATO alliance depends on the US being sensible and broadly aligned with the goals of the other countries.

Granted, patriot missiles are still manufactured across the alliance and I'm sure arms will be available for purchase.

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Post by lumost »

Ajakks wrote: post #12
lumost wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If China was to attack Taiwan, now would be the time. The current world order is at least in part based around the notion of the US (and allies) having the military capacity to fight any plausible combination of foes at all times. That this military capacity was used in accordance to a set of rules with input from allies and partners made the system tolerable. If the US lacks the munitions to fight all of these confl…

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All limited exchanges end in annihilation, parties are required to tit for tat the exchange and it's really easy to run out of targets when you are using nukes - forcing an escalation.

If Taiwan was invaded, the only military targets for the US are in close proximity to major population centers. The response would be nukes on US Naval bases (in close proximity to US population centers). This would rapidly escalate to a full exchange. Or China would just use their nukes to achieve all military objectives in Taiwan.

Neither China nor the US plan to invade each other, or engage in any non-limited conflict. There is no rational reason for either to ever use nukes.

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Post by nebula8804 »

nathanlied wrote: post #22
nebula8804 wrote: post #19

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There is so much BS on both sides of the aisle so it seems impossible to get a clear picture but didn't Iran prepare better than Venezuela in terms of deployment of Chinese radar and other security defenses? Seems like there has been no conversation whatsoever about Chinese defenses, were they bypassed again? If so, then China must be reassessing. (Again dont know whats real and whats fake anymore)

China is being very careful to provide enough support not to be seen as abandoning their trading partners/allies, while keeping the support at a low enough level to not get entangled in conflict or create expectations for future conflicts. They want to be able to paint this as "just business", in spite of any rhetoric they may publicly have. In some cases they'll help more in covert ways (Russia), while others they'l…

This sounds like a cop out. The second biggest loser of Iran being invaded is China. The US already took out Venezuela and now Iran. I know China has made excellent strides in renewables but they still depend on oil to fuel their over capacitized factories. Now they have lost their number 1 and number 2 supplier.

Combined with 25% youth unemployment things are looking more grim for China.

If any of this tech had any value it should have done something. Now people aren't even bashing it like they did in venezuela they just seem to be accepting that it is not worth talking about.

Like I said there is so much BS on both sides and well your argument isn't convincing: There is this cutting edge tech that no one has seen and no one knows anything about but just trust me China is saving it for the perfect moment. :/

>The US is still ahead of China in a lot of military tech, even if the gap keeps getting narrower.

We need to take a step back and reassess: is the hardware effective against the US or is it not? If it is not, then it is no better than a paperweight. Second place finishers are not with us any longer as the victor wrote the history books.

I'm starting to think maybe WW3 has already started and we are so bogged down in the day to day nonsense that many don't realize it yet.

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