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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by tokai »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36
tokai wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland) I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff?

> I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff? The world in which Europe didn't respond, Americans didn't flip out and Congress didn't push back.

US was told directly that its not happening. You had the military excisise that scared Trump so much that he ordered extra tariffs. Just because you don't follow the news doesn't make it that there wasn't any response.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by dirk94018 »

derektank wrote: post #28
dirk94018 wrote: post #19

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This isn’t an external directive; Anthropic was founded with the mission of creating safe, reliable AI systems. You wouldn’t see the same people working at the company if the company didn’t stand by its acceptable use policy and other internal standards

Isn't a safe and reliable intelligence an oxymoron?

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by vkou »

tokai wrote: post #41
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I what world has the Greenland stuff been anything but a fuckoff? The world in which Europe didn't respond, Americans didn't flip out and Congress didn't push back.

US was told directly that its not happening. You had the military excisise that scared Trump so much that he ordered extra tariffs. Just because you don't follow the news doesn't make it that there wasn't any response.

He chickened out on the extra tariffs, too.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by philipwhiuk »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

My read of this interaction is Dario is calling out Hegseths' bluff. A bluff the latter didn't even know he was blundering into because Hegseth is an idiot. SecDef invoking the DPA against Anthropic likely trashes the AI fundraising market, at least for a spell. That's why OpenAI is wading into the fight [1]. Given the Dow is sitting on a rising souffle of AI expectations, that knocks it out as well. And if there is…

Imagine if it's just Grok that plays ball because Musk doesn't want to lose SpaceX's DoD contracts now it's the same outfit.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by TimorousBestie »

cogman10 wrote: post #35
TimorousBestie wrote: post #18

Article doesn’t demonstrate a good understanding of DoW’s relationship with contractors. Anthropic wanted those sweet, sweet, taxpayer dollars—well, this is what happens when you make a Faustian bargain. > One option is to invoke the Defense Production Act. . . > Another threat would be to declare Anthropic to be a supply chain risk. . . The first is a wrist-slap that still gets the government what they want; the sec…

> Remind me again how good this administration is at upholding norms? When it comes to killing and spying on people with flimsy justifications that's a pretty bipartisan norm. Hell, Anthropic isn't even saying they won't help the DoW do just that, they just want to make sure there's a human in the loop. The "USA Freedom Act" [1], which made most of the Patriot act permanent, had bipartisan support. I'm all for revers…

You’ve egregiously misread me. I spelled out the norm that the DoW would be violating if they decided to make good on their threats.

> Usually it doesn’t, because of a “norm” that says the private defense sector runs more smoothly when the government doesn’t try to micromanage it.

My comment has nothing to do with Anthropic’s “moral” or “ethical” stance.

I also don’t see the point in both-siding this. The situation at hand is before Hegseth and Trump. I can’t even remember Biden’s SecDef’s name.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by mlsu »

nubg wrote: post #9

This whole standoff could set a very important precedent of the Trump administration not getting what they want, and not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland), but in a public "FUCK OFF right in your face" kind of way. The worst that can happen to Anthropic is one of the two things mentioned; loosing some contracts or some fake forced management from the Pentagon. maybe Dario having…

The executives at these huge corporations already know that they can stand up to the Trump administration, and that it will fold immediately. "TACO" is printed in the Wall St. Journal.

They willingly don't, because they know that they can use the administration to cement their market power. The surveillance state being built is one where would-be competitors, labor, well-meaning reformists, can be crushed on a whim for sham political reasons. A massive contraction of USA wealth, influence, and power, a loss of our living standard and place in the world -- that is the price everyone else has to pay, to keep the existing power structure in place. They will not release their grip on the wheel. Not until the ship hits the bottom of the sea.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by [deleted] »

nubg wrote: post #9

This whole standoff could set a very important precedent of the Trump administration not getting what they want, and not in a "maneuvered out of the news spotlight" kind of way (e.g. Greenland), but in a public "FUCK OFF right in your face" kind of way. The worst that can happen to Anthropic is one of the two things mentioned; loosing some contracts or some fake forced management from the Pentagon. maybe Dario having…

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by [deleted] »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #44
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

My read of this interaction is Dario is calling out Hegseths' bluff. A bluff the latter didn't even know he was blundering into because Hegseth is an idiot. SecDef invoking the DPA against Anthropic likely trashes the AI fundraising market, at least for a spell. That's why OpenAI is wading into the fight [1]. Given the Dow is sitting on a rising souffle of AI expectations, that knocks it out as well. And if there is…

Imagine if it's just Grok that plays ball because Musk doesn't want to lose SpaceX's DoD contracts now it's the same outfit.

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Post by mikkupikku »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #47

Imagine one of the defense primes telling the DoW, "We won't build you these planes, they're just too darned lethal!"

Planes are fairly predictable, they can more or less be relied on to do that leadership asks them and not more. This stuff is more akin to nerve gas, there's no telling where it will go once deployed.
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