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Dyson settles forced labour suit in landmark UK case

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James Dyson advocated for Brexit on the basis of supporting British industry, and shortly afterwards migrated the company HQ to Singapore.

I'm nearly certain he believed/believes in the Britannia Unchained folks type nonsense. Brexit, then ECHR exit, deregulate like crazy and exploit everyone and their mum. So long as GDP goes up.

Not sure how enforced self-sanctions make GDP go up.

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Is it? Can we be a just society if we allow any company to close their eyes to bad things in their supply chain? Should we not just call this "failure of due diligence"? Otherwise none of our environmental and worker protection laws make any sense. Anyone can just do the unethical thing and move everything to a country that does not care about the rights we have set over here. Do our values not apply to any human? In…

> Anyone can just do the unethical thing and move everything to a country that does not care about the rights we have set over here Well, instead of using North Sea oil in the UK we buy it from Norway, who got it from the North Sea. We have hilariously high energy prices because of green energy policies, so we import more and more things from other countries that have workable energy policies. So - yeah.

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And to prove it is possible to have a profitable vacuum cleaner manufacturing business that makes its machines in the UK - long live Henry! https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/24/how-hen... And unlike Dyson they are almost indestructible!

Few years back (before covid) I splashed out on a fancy Dyson. Worst vacuum cleaner ever. I'm sporting a Vax now, quite good, even runs VMS.

What's VMS?

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And to prove it is possible to have a profitable vacuum cleaner manufacturing business that makes its machines in the UK - long live Henry! https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/24/how-hen... And unlike Dyson they are almost indestructible!

Few years back (before covid) I splashed out on a fancy Dyson. Worst vacuum cleaner ever. I'm sporting a Vax now, quite good, even runs VMS.

Ha! Very good and unlike say Windows it doesn't suck.

Re: Dyson settles forced labour suit in landmark UK case

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I understand that there's a precedent here, but isn't normally the precedent for the opposite in contract law?

And if UK is precedent based, how come the previous precedents don't apply here?

I agree that no toilet breaks is cruel, but the problem here is knowing about the supplier using it?

There was not much about the legal bases in the article.

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Why do employers deny their employees toilet breaks? Do they actually believe it makes the employees more productive, or are they just cruel people?

Employers are not always very smart. It took humanity half a millennium to realise slavery is inefficient and ditch it. Go figure.

Try 7 or 8 millennia. The Atlantic slave trade was just a rounding error in all the slaves that have ever been.

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Why do employers deny their employees toilet breaks? Do they actually believe it makes the employees more productive, or are they just cruel people?

Why not both? I've met my share of idiots measuring productivity wrong, and there needs to be a chain of idiots all the way up to let this escalate to a lawsuit (chains of idiots I've also seen). But I've also seen cruelty on occasion, and you need to have no empathy with your workers to have made this call in the first place.

What was that recent Microsoft quote, something about "we believe with Copilot one developer can produce 1m lines of code per month"?

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I'm nearly certain he believed/believes in the Britannia Unchained folks type nonsense. Brexit, then ECHR exit, deregulate like crazy and exploit everyone and their mum. So long as GDP goes up.

Not sure how enforced self-sanctions make GDP go up.

That's where the exploitation comes in. You cut every cost so that the cost is lower to make up for it. Cut taxes, employee salaries, social welfare, pension, environmental protections, legal protections, net profits go up.

After all more valueadd, and increased production is more important than the actual human beings this valueadd was originally intended to benefit.

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Not contradicting the second part, but I want to emphasise that they are different things. Slavery (and capitalism) can be extremely inefficient and simultaneously wildly profitable.

Surely it's meaningless to compare the efficiency of slavery vs other systems, since your set of resources is completely different.

You could if you look at e.g. the crop yield (ceteris paribus). I don't know why you would, because what sane conclusion could you draw from it?

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Few years back (before covid) I splashed out on a fancy Dyson. Worst vacuum cleaner ever. I'm sporting a Vax now, quite good, even runs VMS.

What's VMS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS
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