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Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by scuff3d »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

I'm still confused by why anyone wants to use either Docker or Podman desktops. The the docker/Podman CLIs seem like a much better way to interact with containers/images. Maybe it's just my usecase.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by cathalc »

eknkc wrote: post #40
y0ssar1an wrote: post #29

The best alternative to Docker Desktop on macOS is to abandon the GUI entirely use colima to create the linux VM. brew install colima docker docker-buildx docker-completion docker-compose export DOCKER_HOST="$HOME/.colima/docker.sock" >> ~/.zshrc source ~/.zshrc colima start --cpus 8 --vz-rosetta --ssh-agent --mount $HOME:w then add this line to your $HOME/.docker/config.json "cliPluginsExtraDirs": ["/opt/homebrew/li…

I’ve been using OrbStack instead of Docker Desktop and gotta say, I’d not replace it with anything else. So if anyones looking for a more automated alternative, check out OrbStack.

I hear great things about OrbStack; unfortunately the licensing tied to their free offering doesn't play nicely with corporate environments (and we're cheap!).

I switched to Colima instead and couldn't be happier.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

osigurdson wrote: post #4

I personally prefer the Podman CLI however as you don't need the daemon running in the background and prefer Kubernetes like yamls for local development. I definitely don't need a polished desktop GUI that shows me how many images I have though - I've never understood the use case for that.

Same. I switched to podman just so I don't have to troubleshoot why the docker daemon isn't running again.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by ragall »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #39
tonnydourado wrote: post #37

Man, I feel bad for Docker, the company. Created the open source project that almost single-handely revolutionized deployments, development environments, and cloud computing, but sorta never managed to stick a product.

I'm equally shocked nobody has bought them out to keep them well funded and not focused on trying to monetize (outside of just billing for private images). Every cloud provider like CloudFlare (I think?), Azure, AWS, GCP, etc benefit from Docker, it seems like a no brainer to me... You would then condense the org to just developers and PMs. Then marketing and other employees could be shifted to another part of the pa…

> Every cloud provider [...] benefit from Docker

How ? Docker didn't invent the underlying technology and can't control it (through patents, etc...). It's all open and Docker tools are just the most popular but there are alternatives. Why pay when you can get it for free ?

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

#45

Post by stock_toaster »

y0ssar1an wrote: post #29

The best alternative to Docker Desktop on macOS is to abandon the GUI entirely use colima to create the linux VM. brew install colima docker docker-buildx docker-completion docker-compose export DOCKER_HOST="$HOME/.colima/docker.sock" >> ~/.zshrc source ~/.zshrc colima start --cpus 8 --vz-rosetta --ssh-agent --mount $HOME:w then add this line to your $HOME/.docker/config.json "cliPluginsExtraDirs": ["/opt/homebrew/li…

I you fancy needing a GUI, rancher desktop is decent.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

#46

Post by newsoftheday »

lukeschlather wrote: post #34
enlightens wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most common one I run into is with volumes, when the full path doesn't already exist. Docker will just make the path, Podman throws an error. It's been called a "bug" in docker but the fact is everyone just expects the paths to be created. I want it to just work, not make everyone in the industry redo their dockerfiles to be "correct." https://github.com/containers/podman/issues/6234 It looks like there was some…

Running a docker container having side effects on the host seems bad. You've just convinced me a little bit I want podman, and not docker.

Not me, docker is the standard, works great for me, if it didn't, I'd look at alternatives.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by bityard »

scuff3d wrote: post #41
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

I'm still confused by why anyone wants to use either Docker or Podman desktops. The the docker/Podman CLIs seem like a much better way to interact with containers/images. Maybe it's just my usecase.

I can't speak to docker, but the Podman desktop UI on MacOS doesn't really offer any functionality that the CLI doesn't. It's more like a status dashboard than anything else. I personally never look at it. I don't see how you can get very far managing containers, images, etc using _just_ the UI in any case.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by normie3000 »

kkapelon wrote: post #22
trueismywork wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorrt for may be a complete ignorant question but whats the use case of docker desktop as opposed docker cli

It also includes a local k8s cluster. So you get 2 in 1 package.

Why would you want that?

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by newsoftheday »

cdrage wrote: post #35
p0w3n3d wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I checked it against the amount of RAM. Podman with 8GB does not increase speed, Docker with 4GB is still 9s podman run 27->24 docker run 9.4->9.769 total (I increased limit in podman and decreased limit in docker). This happens with amd64 arch images (which I for some reason need in my work and cannot rebuild)

now I'm curious why it's still slow even with the increase of ram + cpu, I'll sync up with the podman core team why it's benchmarking much faster in docker vs podman (assuming both are using rosetta 2 on your machine)

> now I'm curious why it's still slow even with the increase of ram + cpu

Because podman doesn't work as well as docker.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by chuckadams »

amluto wrote: post #18
mrbluecoat wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also like that Rancher Desktop supports nerdctl. Colima is another similar project.

I imagine that OrbStack has containerd buried inside somewhere and could support ctr and (awkwardly) nerdctl, but if so it’s pretty well hidden.

I build containers for multiple platforms using orbstack, and that requires the containerd backend. So yes, it's in there somewhere.
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