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Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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kunai wrote: post #39
tech_ken wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I never quite understood why AI and LLMs are marketed the way they are, or why the powers that be behind its massive push seem so keen on selling it as a wholesale replacement for human careers Because labor is the largest line item in almost every software company on Earth. Executives' primary KPI is their market cap, so convincing investors that your profit/expense ratio is going to 2x in 6 months when you finall…

But then what about the fact that it's exposing so many firms to immense risk and essentially straight-up lying to investors as well as product adopters? No one thought of that reality, when the chickens finally come home to roost?

My read is that it's a mix of tech firms having overhired a lot during the ZIRP+COVID era, as well as executives having a pretty short horizon for risk if the potential bonus is large enough.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Post by taftster »

snowhale wrote: post #15

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You overestimate my ability to keep mental context for 6 months.

And additionally, most of the PRs I have seen reviewed, the quality hasn't really degraded or improved since LLMs have started contributing. I think we have been rubber stamping PRs for quite sometime. Not sure that AI is doing any worse.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Post by kunai »

tech_ken wrote: post #41
kunai wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then what about the fact that it's exposing so many firms to immense risk and essentially straight-up lying to investors as well as product adopters? No one thought of that reality, when the chickens finally come home to roost?

My read is that it's a mix of tech firms having overhired a lot during the ZIRP+COVID era, as well as executives having a pretty short horizon for risk if the potential bonus is large enough.

> executives having a pretty short horizon for risk if the potential bonus is large enough.

This single line explains succinctly what is probably responsible for most of the economic dysfunction of the past 20 years

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Post by cess11 »

kunai wrote: post #32
pmdr wrote: post #3

That and it's also destroying the environment, trust, truth, creativity, people's ability to afford better computing equipment and so on.

I never quite understood why AI and LLMs are marketed the way they are, or why the powers that be behind its massive push seem so keen on selling it as a wholesale replacement for human careers (which given the current curve of improvements despite what the naysayers of human intellect might suggest, is unfeasible). Accountants didn't die off when calculators came on the scene. In no scenario is an LLM a drop-in repl…

That marketing has been used to fire a lot of people, I think that's an important reason why it has that character. Then there were some true believers too, who were obviously important to the people firing other people.

Being able to remove a lot of people from your large work force and have other corporations do it too is quite profitable, on average it pushes down the price of labour and you'll rehire some of them and replace some of the others, and perhaps your organisation managed to become more efficient at the stuff that make you money in the short run too.

Then there was that thing with the change in US tax code, where R&D became more expensive some years ago.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Post by cess11 »

kunai wrote: post #39
tech_ken wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I never quite understood why AI and LLMs are marketed the way they are, or why the powers that be behind its massive push seem so keen on selling it as a wholesale replacement for human careers Because labor is the largest line item in almost every software company on Earth. Executives' primary KPI is their market cap, so convincing investors that your profit/expense ratio is going to 2x in 6 months when you finall…

But then what about the fact that it's exposing so many firms to immense risk and essentially straight-up lying to investors as well as product adopters? No one thought of that reality, when the chickens finally come home to roost?

There's an easy fix, you start hiring again. Probably don't even have to explain it, what happened just before was that you improved corporate finances by lowering your labour expenses, i.e. you're clearly growing and hence you need more people.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Post by a_better_world »

rjakrn wrote: post #40
agentifysh wrote: post #23

Often I see youtube videos that sells an overwhelmingly negative take on AI, like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs or "AI is destroying the world" and other weirdly outlandish titles that is clearly aimed at clickbait. Watching these content I often get confused because it never seems to highlight the actual real world progress and use that LLMs in particular gets for coding. Much of what was "vibe coding" is becoming just…

"Agentify is a small collection of utilities and MCP servers focused on safety, ergonomics, and automation." Cool advertisement bro. This is how it must have been when they marketed cigarettes to women to drive up sales.

"freedom torches" was the exact phrase used. They were sold as a marker of female liberation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

The term was first used by psychoanalyst A. A. Brill when describing the natural desire for women to smoke and was used by Edward Bernays to encourage women to smoke in public despite social taboos. Bernays hired women to march while smoking their "torches of freedom" in the Easter Sunday Parade of 31 March 1929,[1] which was a significant moment for fighting social barriers for women smokers.

Bernays is widely seen as the father of modern marketing, and helped lay the foundation for the consumer-based economy.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Post by jcgrillo »

kunai wrote: post #38
gambiting wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean you joke(I hope) but I know people who literally run their entire relationship and all their communication through ChatGPT/Gemini. Whether it's breaking or improving the relationship - I guess the verdict is not out yet, but I suspect it's not great long term .

The fact that whether or not doing something like this (which is bizarre, incredibly unhealthy, and just not how humans are wired socially) is considered at all in the AI space and met with a "oh well, we'll wait and see long-term" is sort of a microcosm of how out of touch the push behind LLMs is. Anthropic, OpenAI, etc have thrust a poorly functioning product with unhealthy obsequiousness and a clever obfuscative i…

Quote from a VP at a big tech megacorp a few months back:

> "If we don't start using this technology every day in every aspect of our jobs we will be left behind and never catch up."

I'm gonna get that one embroidered and framed on the wall above my toilet so for the rest of my life every day I can look at it and chuckle at the memory of how broken people were before the bubble popped.

Re: AI is destroying open source, and it's not even good yet [video]

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Post by agentifysh »

rjakrn wrote: post #40
agentifysh wrote: post #23

Often I see youtube videos that sells an overwhelmingly negative take on AI, like "OpenAI" fails 93% of Jobs or "AI is destroying the world" and other weirdly outlandish titles that is clearly aimed at clickbait. Watching these content I often get confused because it never seems to highlight the actual real world progress and use that LLMs in particular gets for coding. Much of what was "vibe coding" is becoming just…

"Agentify is a small collection of utilities and MCP servers focused on safety, ergonomics, and automation." Cool advertisement bro. This is how it must have been when they marketed cigarettes to women to drive up sales.

what part of https://agentify.sh offends you so much, can you please point it out ?
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