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Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by AlexandrB »

leptons wrote: post #15
everdrive wrote: post #14

Marijuana legalization arguments were my first introduction to motivated reasoning. I was pretty inclined to agree that locking up non-violent drug offenders was a net-harm to society. But, the pro-legalization folks would argue patently crazy things: it cures cancer, the smoke isn't bad for you at all, there are no downsides! etc. It seemed obvious to me that you could make a more realistic argument and just stick t…

>But, the pro-legalization folks would argue patently crazy things: it cures cancer, the smoke isn't bad for you at all, there are no downsides! etc. Using the most anecdotally crazy people you met to suggest that the pro-legalization movement is crazy, is frankly, crazy. I'm very involved in legalization and I don't know anyone that is for legalization that thinks any of those things, never even heard anyone say suc…

I don't think you can frame some of these arguments as belonging to a fringe minority. I remember watching an episode of "Penn & Teller's Bullshit"[1](2004) where they featured several pro-legalization advocates. These folks said or implied similar things (it's not bad for you, it helps cancer patients). These were not marginal "crazy" voices.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Penn_%26_Teller:_Bulls...

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by aaomidi »

AlexandrB wrote: post #37
yieldcrv wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all legalization frameworks in the US already limit legal age of purchasing possession and consumption to 21 and over, specifically as a form of seeding ground to the opposition, specifically for the previously only anecdotal link to psychosis and underdeveloped minds of minors

It's weird to frame regulating cannabis the same way we regulate other recreational drugs as some kind of compromise. Is the ideal pro-cannabis situation that anyone can buy it at any age?

That’s not what that person was arguing?

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by [deleted] »

orionsbelt wrote: post #25
H8crilA wrote: post #6

I used to read forums for schizophrenics (self disorders fascinate me, look the term up if you want to understand schizophrenia), and it was the consensus there that out of all the recreational drugs cannabis caused the greatest deterioration in one's mental state. Those are generally fairly sick people, but I don't think one can just ignore this signal. I personally went catatonic once after consumption, and I'm not…

I don’t know what things are like in Amsterdam, but weed being “high quality” is not a good thing. The potency has skyrocketed over the past few decades. It’s like saying you went to Amsterdam to drink alcohol for the first time and had a bottle of tequila and passed out and puked; the fact that it was high quality tequila does not mean it’s better than a low quality glass of wine or beer. The issue is the doses are…

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Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by direwolf20 »

interestpiqued wrote: post #36
zug_zug wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard that too but if you go to any dispensary you can get a gummy with an exact dosage of THC and CBD on the label. It's actually a much superior system now to backchannel dried flower.

Yeah but it’s hard to even find a 5mg these days. Most are 10 or 20 by me. Edibles aren’t immune from the increase in dosage. Edit: also these aren’t pharma companies. It may have gotten better but I think manufacturing consistency isn’t good either. Highest I’ve ever been was from a single “2.5 mg”

Why not cut it in half?

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by zug_zug »

direwolf20 wrote: post #44
interestpiqued wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but it’s hard to even find a 5mg these days. Most are 10 or 20 by me. Edibles aren’t immune from the increase in dosage. Edit: also these aren’t pharma companies. It may have gotten better but I think manufacturing consistency isn’t good either. Highest I’ve ever been was from a single “2.5 mg”

Why not cut it in half?

Yeah that's what I do and it works great for me

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by in-silico »

zug_zug wrote: post #27

So just for context "Based on data from 2023–2025, approximately 15% to 17% of American adults currently consume cannabis." - Gallup So though this may be technically true in some sense, it should also be understood that if cannabis had any major immediate drastic effects we would have noticed them decades ago. Perhaps weed, like alcohol, needs a legal minimum age of 21.

> Perhaps weed, like alcohol, needs a legal minimum age of 21.

Generally, it already does have a legal minimum age of 21.

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by aaomidi »

interestpiqued wrote: post #36
zug_zug wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard that too but if you go to any dispensary you can get a gummy with an exact dosage of THC and CBD on the label. It's actually a much superior system now to backchannel dried flower.

Yeah but it’s hard to even find a 5mg these days. Most are 10 or 20 by me. Edibles aren’t immune from the increase in dosage. Edit: also these aren’t pharma companies. It may have gotten better but I think manufacturing consistency isn’t good either. Highest I’ve ever been was from a single “2.5 mg”

And in states like NY, 5mg is standard.

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

leptons wrote: post #15
everdrive wrote: post #14

Marijuana legalization arguments were my first introduction to motivated reasoning. I was pretty inclined to agree that locking up non-violent drug offenders was a net-harm to society. But, the pro-legalization folks would argue patently crazy things: it cures cancer, the smoke isn't bad for you at all, there are no downsides! etc. It seemed obvious to me that you could make a more realistic argument and just stick t…

>But, the pro-legalization folks would argue patently crazy things: it cures cancer, the smoke isn't bad for you at all, there are no downsides! etc. Using the most anecdotally crazy people you met to suggest that the pro-legalization movement is crazy, is frankly, crazy. I'm very involved in legalization and I don't know anyone that is for legalization that thinks any of those things, never even heard anyone say suc…

To be fair, the example they gave from the other side is far more fringe

> When you buy weed you're supporting the same terrorism that happened on 9/11

Re: Large study finds link between cannabis use in teens and psychosis later

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Post by AlexandrB »

aaomidi wrote: post #42
AlexandrB wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to frame regulating cannabis the same way we regulate other recreational drugs as some kind of compromise. Is the ideal pro-cannabis situation that anyone can buy it at any age?

That’s not what that person was arguing?

How so?

> all legalization frameworks in the US already limit legal age of purchasing possession and consumption to 21 and over, specifically as a form of seeding ground to the opposition

This plainly says that legal frameworks limit the age of consumption as a way of ceding ground to the opposition (implicitly the opposition to legalization). So I'm questioning, if there was no opposition to legalization, what would the legalization frameworks look like? Legal for anyone at any age?

Edit: To put it another way, what's the ground that has been ceded here?

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