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Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by [deleted] »

tom_ wrote: post #28
obsidianbases1 wrote: post #25

I was looking into org-mode after yet another system-collapse trying to manage everything in kanban (trello) + docs. While it seemed like exactly what I needed, I was turned off by the TUI. So I kept looking and found something that, instead of running in a terminal, was effectively a Chrome browser, enabling all the "luxuries" of modern web apps while living on my local system. Org-moders were definitely the OGs, bu…

Terminal Emacs exists only so that experienced Emacs users can still get some approximation of their preferred setup when they're stuck unable to run the proper GUI version. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

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Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by piokoch »

sp33der89 wrote: post #17

I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

org-mode would need an Obsidian-level polished application to become a thing. This is not that simple, I guess...

BTW obsidian borrowed a few ideas from org-mode, like clickable checkboxes, creating ad-hoc daily notes, etc.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by wafflemaker »

regularfry wrote: post #40
honr wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That won't change until top-notch, simple (i.e., without 100 transient dependencies) org parsing and formatting libraries for a few key languages (go, javascript / typescript, and python; maybe also C++ and java) become available. Which is sad because org-mode seems far more versatile than markdown, except for a couple of ergonomic features (e.g., ``` vs #+BEGIN_SRC, and * [x] task vs * DONE task). Even libraries to…

I think it gets away with being more verbose because those two aren't spelled "#+BEGIN_SRC" and "DONE", they're "C-c , q" and "C-c t d" (from memory). I think unless you really commit to learning a decent subset of what org-mode provides the ergonomics are always going to seem a little clumsy. I've always found emacs shortcuts hard to learn, and because of that I've never quite got my use of org-mode over the activat…

I made my own macro* to encapsulate the currently selected text in SOURCE \END_SOURCE tags. Now you're telling me there was a keyboard shortcut for that?

What else I don't know about emacs?

*It was my first macro/function and while creating it I've learned that 1. It wasn't that hard and 2. With help of an LLM you can program emacs a little even without deep knowledge of elisp. Though LLMs suggest very unreadable elisp code and you have to rewrite everything.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by jhbadger »

sp33der89 wrote: post #17

I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

But the fancy org-babel stuff is 90% of the reason I use org -- and that's only on Emacs as far as I know.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by gverrilla »

I don't know elisp, emacs keybindings, org-mode details, etc. But I have vibe-coded a note/task management system using it that's by far the best one I've ever used. It's very similar to Dynalist (but much more flexible). It has changed my life, honestly.

Even though I use emacs/org pretty much adversarily, it works almost flawlessly. Also looks pretty good imo [0].

I can capture notes/tasks to my inbox: by selecting text anywhere on my computer and pressing a keybind, by using a dialog provided by another keybind, from Quicknotes on iPhone, and from a webpage I have set up in case I'm using a computer/phone that's not mine.

I rsync my org files to a Dropbox, which allows me to access them on iPhone using beorg app.

Thanks emacs/org community! S2

0: https://ibb.co/7xW1NbRh

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by nathan_compton »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #32
nathan_compton wrote: post #24

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I sort of bounce off of org over and over because I find it very unreadable. Compared to Markdown (I know Markdown isn't quite the same thing), org feels very crusty and noisy.

While org mode can do almost anything, it is foremost an outliner, not a markup language like markdown. Using org-mode in place of Markdown is like using MS Word for coding, so no wonder

I think you are right. My real issue is that I don't have an "outliner" brain. I've never really understood why people make outlines or even, really, take notes.

Org's utility to me is then the making and keeping track of todos. But markdown can do that without much trouble.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by yantar92 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #8
dig1 wrote: post #5

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The details are here [1]; the OP should probably add a clearer explanation. [1] https://orgmode.org/worg/worg-about.html - Worg is a collaborative knowledge database about Org (Emacs org-mode).

How does that differ from the rest of orgmode.org? Is worg a wiki?

yup, it is basically a wiki

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by yantar92 »

ordu wrote: post #9

So many good words, but they all miss the crucial point: you can't write a parser for org-mode. So elisp interpreted is needed to run the lisp code that defines it. It means that org-mode can be good while you are using it from emacs, and it sucks for anything else. I use markdown now, because you have a lot of tools to deal with markdown, while all tools for org-mode are bound to emacs. Which is perfectly fits the e…

You can write a parser. In fact, there is a good number of parsers, including treesitter implementation. See https://orgmode.org/tools.html

If you need a new parser, the syntax specification is in https://orgmode.org/worg/org-syntax.html

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by solarkraft »

dotancohen wrote: post #36
nine_k wrote: post #30

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This totally depends on how you set up your org face attributes. I keep using Org because, for me, it's far more readable than Markdown. Also, it's always a tree. The three operations, like folding, traversal,. etc, are essential for me, and not available in Markdown. Fortunately, GitHub understands README.org files.

Emacs folds and unfolds Markdown just like Org since about 29.0 at least I think.

How does it save the state?

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Post by solarkraft »

piokoch wrote: post #42
sp33der89 wrote: post #17

I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

org-mode would need an Obsidian-level polished application to become a thing. This is not that simple, I guess... BTW obsidian borrowed a few ideas from org-mode, like clickable checkboxes, creating ad-hoc daily notes, etc.

Logseq is probably the closest we had, but it doesn’t quite reach the Obsidian polish and is now moving off of plain text files (somewhat sadly but understandably).
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