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The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Berghain puts stickers on your phone cameras, it’s pretty non intrusive while substantially improving the party experience. I didn’t see a single phone in the air on the dancefloor. It was quite refreshing, felt like partying in the 2000s.

It's becoming more common in SF and LA too, although it's usually done by the promoter and not the venue.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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A non-paywalled discussion on the subject from a year ago: Nightclub stickers over smartphone rule divides the dancefloor (85 points, 91 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42352825 I've never understood the appeal of so-called "dance" events. Crowds of thousands like sardines swaying-at-best to the DJ being treated as a rockstar but without the talent and entertainment as far as I can see. Note: this isn'…

you know that people really go there to dance and enjoy the music? A friend of mine is a professional (modern) dancer, so has as much credentials as you can, and she enjoys dancing in berlins nightlife. She finds the space for expression and creativity in her movement, in tune with the music. Of course, the is not much physical space, which is how the dance-movements evolved as they have (e.g you never spin and you f…

Thanks - yes I'm aware of most of those (my handle here is a northern soul record) and do attend but they are relatively niche and I resent the current way mainstream dance music events are presented to the world as something that seems counter to the notion.

Btw I've seen great dancers who barely move their feet; my concern is with the culture where individual expression is subordinated to the cult of commune and the DJ.

As others here have pointed out that is partly down to the promoters packing in as many people as they can; I think control moving over the years from love of the form to strictly commerce has caused a significant change in culture.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Er... Source for this claim? If there are people filming on their dancefloor you're in a shitty club. OK, so the author and a handful of people they quite (including some global superstars who obviously don't represent any kind of norm) seem to be finding themselves in shitty clubs more often than they used to. And therefore we conclude all clubs are shitty now? Nightlife is the least heterogeneous and least globalis…

Anyone else that has been outside in the past 10 years can see it. Doesn’t have to be dancing it can be eating in a restaurant, going to a public pool, walking down the street. Younger folks absolutely are feeling the sense of everything being recorded. It sucks because you don’t know what will pop up online so a lot will not do anything (swim, dance, do anything moderately weird).

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Perhaps it can be enforced with a type of laser that doesn’t damage the human eye but completely obliterates a phone camera. As long as you keep the sticker on nothing happens to your phone.

> a type of laser that doesn’t damage the human eye but completely obliterates a phone camera If we are asking for impossible things why make it so scifi coded? I would much prefer cute bunny unicorns who suddenly grow fangs and bite people who are taking pictures. They are both equaly realistic but the bunny unicorns are nicer to think of.

Certain kinds of lidar do damage phone cameras https://www.jalopnik.com/1866994/lidar-permanently-damage-ph...

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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I remember being on a concert relatively recently, a few years ago. nearly everyone had their phones up, mine was in a pocket. no one made a single movement that resembled dance, everyone just... stood still. that differed by a great measure from several concerts I attended circa 2018-19. on both music fests, I was in flow. I've been dancing - it's a usual thing all humans naturally do when they hear rhythm that reso…

Wait, were things different as recently as 2018? I just remember when I was into concerts, circa 1998, most people just stood there unless it was a big hit playing, but a significant amount of people would always dance or just jump like crazy near the middle of the pitch. I did recently went to a punk concert from a band from the late 80s , so most people there were my age. It was just like the old times. A lot of people went crazy as this was a band that had only good songs to play! But some around me thought that they could just stand there and film with their phone. They quickly realized that they would had to move away as nearly everyone around just started jumping like maniacs, just like in the 90s . I can’t comment on the new generation though as like I said, I don’t frequent the scene much anymore and when I do the younger people only go to accompany their parents, I guess.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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I remember being on a concert relatively recently, a few years ago. nearly everyone had their phones up, mine was in a pocket. no one made a single movement that resembled dance, everyone just... stood still. that differed by a great measure from several concerts I attended circa 2018-19. on both music fests, I was in flow. I've been dancing - it's a usual thing all humans naturally do when they hear rhythm that reso…

I'm so happy that my prime concert-going days were 1998 to 2013. People just came for the concert and were fully immersed in the music and the vibe. Though admittedly, concerts of groups that were not too well-known, but also not unknown, were the best. At more mainstream bands people would come for the hits. But as something like a Nomeansno concert everyone was locked in.

I also don't really understand what the point of constantly filming is. Some groups regularly put high-quality concerts on Youtube [1], so if you want to re-experience a similar concert afterwards you can.

I guess it's more about documenting your life's story on socials. But what's the point of documenting the life that you don't really live?

Some artists (e.g. John Zorn) forbid filming, which is IMO the best way to go. It's all about experiencing it in the moment.

[1] Bands like King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard even put pretty much every concert online now in full 4K, professionally filmed glory.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Bloomberg is an interesting news outlet. My whole life I thought of them as purely financial-based reporting. But I've seen lots of lifestyle stuff from them too. And usually well written and interesting angles. Maybe journalism isn't totally dead yet.

they have to start pivoting as their core business model of charging a human being ~$30k USD to access a data terminal is dead with AI.

now instead of having 10 human agents using 10 human terminals that costs $300k you can have 100 AI agents orchestrated into a single terminal that costs $30k

its especially dead because people can begin to develop macros and tools to create alternatives to their system using raw data models, and filters, as well as machine-tools rather than just using transformer models to process reports

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Perhaps it can be enforced with a type of laser that doesn’t damage the human eye but completely obliterates a phone camera. As long as you keep the sticker on nothing happens to your phone.

I've seen this in Asia, there's an employee who basically is standing at a raised spot in the corner and if you take out your phone they shoot a small laser pointer right into the camera, it messes with the video. They can't get it on there all the time but a video where half of it (or more they are surprisingly accurate) is a strobing laser becomes pretty garbage anyways. While they are doing that another employee/b…

This sounds like a job I would love.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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I went to a show at Fabric in London during Kubecon last spring and they did the same thing. I still saw the odd person who peeled it off taking selfies or pics of friends inside but that was definitely the exception.

Perhaps it can be enforced with a type of laser that doesn’t damage the human eye but completely obliterates a phone camera. As long as you keep the sticker on nothing happens to your phone.

I think Lidar on cars can damage cameras: https://www.heise.de/en/news/Autonomous-driving-Lidar-can-se...

But it's probably a nightmare from the liability perspective.

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