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KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by ekropotin »

bediger4000 wrote: post #26

I raised chickens as a teenager, mostly for eggs, but also meat. Chickens are terrible, I hate them. They're mean, cannibalistic, and I can easily see them evolving gigantism like other theropod did and becoming apex predators. I honestly think eating them isn't bad. Nevertheless, encouraging cruelty in poultry keepers is a bad thing. Casual cruelty has a corrosive effect on people.

As a huge eggs lover, who eats at least 3 eggs a day, I dream that one day I can raise chickens to have infinite supply of eggs.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by tsol »

georgefrowny wrote: post #13

Funny how across the board we have a relentless march of innovation, invention, discovery and technical prowess and yet almost everything seems constantly gets more expensive and/or worse.

The incentive isn't to make a better product, it's to make a more profitable product. Sometimes that leads to improvements in quality but much of the time it's the opposite

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by Affric »

bediger4000 wrote: post #26

I raised chickens as a teenager, mostly for eggs, but also meat. Chickens are terrible, I hate them. They're mean, cannibalistic, and I can easily see them evolving gigantism like other theropod did and becoming apex predators. I honestly think eating them isn't bad. Nevertheless, encouraging cruelty in poultry keepers is a bad thing. Casual cruelty has a corrosive effect on people.

I have worked with chickens across industry (transport, breeders, layers, broilers, day-olds etc) and in homes as pets et cetera.

I abhor cruelty towards them and it isn’t justified by any traits they have. The race to the bottom with Chickens is somewhat terrifying.

BUT they do have a mean streak and they are stupid. If they were big they’d be terrifying.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by instagib »

magicalhippo wrote: post #31
mrguyorama wrote: post #5

Interesting that the pledge is about fast growing vs normal growing chicken. Does the UK not have the overcrowded cage conditions we have here in the US? The complaint is about these companies not wanting to reduce their profit margins, but how slowly do the other chickens grow? Are we doubling maturity time or increasing it by 10%? Doubling would probably impact consumer prices beyond what could be absorbed by elimi…

> how slowly do the other chickens grow? Here in Norway the two largest producers are moving[1][2] from Ross 308 to Rustic Gold[3]. They live roughly 40-50% longer. The third largest has already moved[4] to the hybrid Hubbard JA 878, with similar growth. However it's also easier to get the slow-growing chickens larger without health issues, roughly 25% according to this[5], so it turns out you might need fewer chicke…

4.3kilos for the Hubbard variety at 56 days is pretty high. I wonder the percent make it to 56 days or they collect early.

Most I saw in US were running 3.4kilos avg at 51 days. If they make it to 53 days they usually have heart failure due to fast growth. Lots of breeding issues.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by wolvoleo »

bediger4000 wrote: post #26

I raised chickens as a teenager, mostly for eggs, but also meat. Chickens are terrible, I hate them. They're mean, cannibalistic, and I can easily see them evolving gigantism like other theropod did and becoming apex predators. I honestly think eating them isn't bad. Nevertheless, encouraging cruelty in poultry keepers is a bad thing. Casual cruelty has a corrosive effect on people.

We had chickens as a teenager and they weren't mean at all. They were fun.

A bit dumb but the neighbour's cat loved herding them, he'd run around them keeping them in the garden, lol. A bit of dog firmware in that one.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by em-bee »

bediger4000 wrote: post #26

I raised chickens as a teenager, mostly for eggs, but also meat. Chickens are terrible, I hate them. They're mean, cannibalistic, and I can easily see them evolving gigantism like other theropod did and becoming apex predators. I honestly think eating them isn't bad. Nevertheless, encouraging cruelty in poultry keepers is a bad thing. Casual cruelty has a corrosive effect on people.

evolving gigantism

they evolved from dinosaurs. i guess they could evolve back...

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by slifin »

georgefrowny wrote: post #13

Funny how across the board we have a relentless march of innovation, invention, discovery and technical prowess and yet almost everything seems constantly gets more expensive and/or worse.

Before we started colonial capitalism there already was total abundance for everyone and for those not born yet

The common lands were for everyone, given a few sheep, vast grasslands and a dog you had self sufficient milk, meat, wool etc

People used to be nomadic with their animals, capitalism doesn't work when there's total abundance so the playbook was to kill the animals, install farms, enforce land rights by force

Only when the workers have no other choice can they be forced into the factories

We could return to abundance if we could get rid of the personality types who require attention and power over the rest of us to temporarily satisfy their narcissistic wounds

Reinstate common lands and bring back self sufficiency, capitalism is a squeezing device, innovation happens despite it not because of it

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by spiderfarmer »

kmeisthax wrote: post #19
spiderfarmer wrote: post #7

I recently had a discussion with my wife and we check our bank records to find out how long it's been since we've been to a KFC, McDonalds or Burger King. Apparently it's been 16 months now. It's overpriced, unhealthy and American. Enough reasons to not go.

As an American I also have not gone to any of those restaurants. The thing is, America is the China of food[0]: we make shittons of unsafe, dangerous product and foist it onto the market by burying the market's pricing mechanism under a mountain of garbage until nobody else can compete and we dictate the price. People will note that China makes plenty of safe, normal products too. The same applies to American agricul…

Kids are singing mandatory pledges of allegiance in school, but the government itself doesn’t want to give anything to gain their trust. They’re even rebooting unhealthy coal plants. They don’t care about any of you.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Post by [deleted] »

bediger4000 wrote: post #26

I raised chickens as a teenager, mostly for eggs, but also meat. Chickens are terrible, I hate them. They're mean, cannibalistic, and I can easily see them evolving gigantism like other theropod did and becoming apex predators. I honestly think eating them isn't bad. Nevertheless, encouraging cruelty in poultry keepers is a bad thing. Casual cruelty has a corrosive effect on people.

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Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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wolvoleo wrote: post #45
bediger4000 wrote: post #26

I raised chickens as a teenager, mostly for eggs, but also meat. Chickens are terrible, I hate them. They're mean, cannibalistic, and I can easily see them evolving gigantism like other theropod did and becoming apex predators. I honestly think eating them isn't bad. Nevertheless, encouraging cruelty in poultry keepers is a bad thing. Casual cruelty has a corrosive effect on people.

We had chickens as a teenager and they weren't mean at all. They were fun. A bit dumb but the neighbour's cat loved herding them, he'd run around them keeping them in the garden, lol. A bit of dog firmware in that one.

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