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I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#41

Did you use a European LLM to write this article? Or was it an American one in the end? :) EDIT: Looks like it's an American one in the end, oh well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47085756

Slop text generation is equally good with chinese and european LLMs don't worry about that part

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#42
Here in Norway (and probably Sweden, too) BankID is a widely used authentication system, and most domestic services will use that as a auth / login. Only "drawback" is that it requires 2FA, which is quite trivial today. But there are still tons of users that want their "login with FB / Google / etc.".

And a last but: If using such auth systems, one would have to account for all the different systems unique to countries.

Maybe some larger EU-specific ID / auth system would make sense?

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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My European stack: - OVH for object storage, domain names and simple Wordpress websites - Scalingo/3DS Outscale for PaaS (looking for alternatives here!) - Mailjet used to be EU but they've been acquired by Mailgun - don't know if that's an issue. Brevo is okay as an email service provider but they could be way better.

I think Mailjet is now owned by Sinch and Sinch is swedish?

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#44

* Scaleway is totally painful/scary on data encryption at rest and in transit, does not feel like your infra/data is isolated from other customers * OVHCloud is good if you deploy your production in HA fashion with higher tiers or do multi-region yourself using a vRack, real issue that they made the news with burning DCs, the fact that the customer base has been originally a gazillion cheap web servers does not help…

Scaleway is so close to being a great product but they need to hire a really visionary Product leader

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#45

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#46
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It's also difficult to find providers for competetive large-scale non-transactional emails, i.e. marketing and newsletter mails. None comes close to AWS, closest comes are messageflow (PL), elasticemail (PL), brevo (FR). Other players like Scaleway TEM (FR) and Lettermint (NL) don't offer non-transactional.

I am at Lettermint for a month now, coming from Postmark.app (US) and I only can tell positives things about it, works very well and is reasonably priced.

AWS SES does not work for me at all, the sending success rate is really bad.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#47

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

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You might be confused with their new-ish US datacenter? Hetzner is still European-owned.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Codeberg would make a better choice if we speak about EU source code forges. And Forgejo instead of Gitea, which is nowadays controversial project.

What makes Gitea controversial nowadays, I'm out of the loop.

From a quick web-search: Apparently it was an open-source community project, but the governing organization created a for-profit entity and transferred most of the assets to that entity (brand, website, etc.). Gitea apparently still uses MIT licenses, but the community felt it was a betrayal of the open-source ethos. forgejo is a community fork of Gitea when the issues mentioned were not suitably resolved.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#49
> Your users expect "Sign in with Google" and "Sign in with Apple." You can add email/password and passkeys, but removing social logins entirely is a conversion killer.

I know this is true, but I genuinely don't understand it. I want email/password and passkey, I will always go out of my way to avoid "Sign in with ...". I just don't get why people love this.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

#50
post #25

Domain TLD is the one administratively completely entangled into USA system while playing a major role on the internet working as it does. ICANN should definitely be an international entity, like UNESCO. All other points are "mere" technical gaps.

I am still baffled.. compare a domain like .party or .parts between porkbun or your major US based providers and a EU based registrar of your choosing.... It's not pretty, at least it wasn't to me.

Porkbun has .party for $21.09 (bar the first year promotion, not sure about VAT) and INWX (DE, VAT included) has it 32.80€ . It is definitely more but not as scary as you made it sound.
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