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Re: Voith Schneider Propeller

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The coolest recent development in marine propellers is toroidal propellers which are now commercially available and seem to perform significantly better than standard propellers: https://www.sharrowmarine.com/

For the most part the Sharrow props have not proven to be much of an improvement, particularly for the high price. The tests that have shown "significant" improvements have frequently compared the Sharrow to a sub-optimal prop. Feedback from many actual users is that the gains are moderate over a narrow RPM range.

Most boats operate 95%+ of their engine hours in a very narrow RPM range.

Re: Voith Schneider Propeller

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the most part the Sharrow props have not proven to be much of an improvement, particularly for the high price. The tests that have shown "significant" improvements have frequently compared the Sharrow to a sub-optimal prop. Feedback from many actual users is that the gains are moderate over a narrow RPM range.

Most boats operate 95%+ of their engine hours in a very narrow RPM range.

Yes and that range is at higher RPMs where the Sharrow props have reduced benefit.

Re: Voith Schneider Propeller

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the most part the Sharrow props have not proven to be much of an improvement, particularly for the high price. The tests that have shown "significant" improvements have frequently compared the Sharrow to a sub-optimal prop. Feedback from many actual users is that the gains are moderate over a narrow RPM range.

Do you have any more information/sources to share on this? I have an Eastern 18 powered with a Yamaha 60hp 4 stroke and I've been struggling to dial the prop right. I don't know off the top of my head what the specs of my current prop are but basically I feel like I'm not taking advantage of the engine's torque at less than WOT, so I basically just run it flat out. If I could extract just a little more thrust out of…

Sources are primarily boating forums, dockside conversations, etc.

In theory your boat in right in the sweet spot of recommended power range at 60HP. I don't know all the background on it, so all kinds of potential problems, but I would wager that "propped wrong" is unlikely to be the core culprit.

I'd start by getting it weighed and comparing your loaded weight to manufacturer specs. USCG requires positive buoyancy for hulls under 20'. This is typically achieved with using expanding foam in hull cavities, and that foam can have a tendency to absorb and hold water if the boat develops any failure of the seals around the bilge areas that are foamed. Reports of poor performance are very common for these sub 20' hulls because of waterlogging. If not a waterlogged hull, you might also just have too much stuff on-board.

To a lesser degree, a bimini can also have an adverse affect on speed/planing, if it's acting like a parachute. Not sure if you have a bimini, but if so it's worth trying a run with it up vs. down.

I'd also look at how your outboard is mounted. It's not clear if it the outboard from the factory, or if the boat has been repowered. Outboards being too high, too low, etc. are pretty common issues that can also majorly impact performance.

That's a few thoughts that comes to mind off-hand.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any more information/sources to share on this? I have an Eastern 18 powered with a Yamaha 60hp 4 stroke and I've been struggling to dial the prop right. I don't know off the top of my head what the specs of my current prop are but basically I feel like I'm not taking advantage of the engine's torque at less than WOT, so I basically just run it flat out. If I could extract just a little more thrust out of…

Sources are primarily boating forums, dockside conversations, etc. In theory your boat in right in the sweet spot of recommended power range at 60HP. I don't know all the background on it, so all kinds of potential problems, but I would wager that "propped wrong" is unlikely to be the core culprit. I'd start by getting it weighed and comparing your loaded weight to manufacturer specs. USCG requires positive buoyancy…

Yeah, you're likely right it probably makes sense to just run it rather than trying to optimize further. As for excess weight, there is some--mine is a rare variant that has a small cuddy cabin forward, and that thing is really wet and needs to be completely rebuilt. A previous owner's refit of the decks removed any flotation there may have been originally, but also introduced a lot of unsealed wood which is now wet and heavy. It needs a deck job soon.

The boat was re-powered under my ownership. I'm pretty confident the motor height is correct based on a variety of observations and measurements, so I don't think there's really anything to adjust there.

I wouldn't say I have a complaint with the boat's performance, more like trying to get the engine to run at cruise in a more efficient range of the bsfc/hp map, which may be a tall order at 60hp. To your point, though, if I can shed a couple hundred pounds in the refit that could very well do it.

Re: Voith Schneider Propeller

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Cool, similar to helicopters which can also control direction indepentendent of thrust, which leads to RC helicopters being able to pull of crazy, physics-defying moves like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSiwyoQldfo

Acro RC helis are an amazing sight, but it’s not really related to the article. They’re just rotors that can reverse their thrust entirely by changing the pitch angle below zero (i.e. lower than regular helicopters can). Many prop planes use that for braking
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