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Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

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Re: Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

#41

Who would have thought that after changing no laws to ban the behavior, firing nobody, and re-upping the post-9/11 laws consistently, that the process would continue? I, for one, am shocked... that anyone might be shocked about this.

Don't worry, I'm sure that trusting these systems to a group of ghouls from the Epstein files won't have any negative consequences.

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#42
post #23

He’s not wrong but screw Glenn Greenwald. I assume his solution will be to back the current or next strongman, because strongman rule will save us? It’s like the “don’t tread on me” militia crowd voting by like a 90% margin for a regime that is now enacting every single one of the things they’ve been afraid of for 50 years: masked cops, opaque detention centers, assaulting (and murdering) people for legally exercisin…

What evidence do you have the Glenn Greenwald wants a strongman?

If anything, he has been attacked by numerous 'strong men' (in various governments!) over several years.

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#43

At this point, it's fair to assume that if the US government wanted to surveil you to a nefarious end, they absolutely could, easily, using things you bought to make your life more convenient. The keys then become: 1) Implementing policies discouraging them from doing so at the societal level and 2) Implementing force behind those policies at the personal and societal level DHS isn't getting paid right now because Kr…

I laugh at myself sometimes for things like this: I refuse to provide my phone number to the cashier who promises me loyalty points, then I hand over the same credit card number I use for all my purchases. Boy, I really showed them how much I value my privacy!

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#44
This type of centralization breeds authoritarianism. See also the Iran protests. There’s too many single points of failure in technology. These systems become sources of oppression inevitably.

How do we build a resilient system that doesn’t rely on single platforms?

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#46
post #25
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rampant crime is largely made up.

Who’s making up the homicide and other violent crime statistics and for what purpose?

What statistics? These?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#/me...

https://ncvs.bjs.ojp.gov/year-to-year-comparison/crimeType

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#47

I know it seems hard, but just stop using Google, Amazon, Meta products. Tell everyone you know to stop using their products. They have all been acquiring and amassing surveillance for years through their products and now they're just double dipping with AI training to sell you more of it. The more you can get people to realize and disconnect the better. I wish more people would use AI to build alternatives with a cl…

Using AI to do anything isn't going to liberate one. It's just going to shift the dependence from one company to another. Your new feudal lord will be the people running the Santa Claus machine you're running. Don't keep trying to tell people AI is the solution. The real solution is self-hosting. And that cannot be AI'd half as easily.

Re: Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

#48
post #23

He’s not wrong but screw Glenn Greenwald. I assume his solution will be to back the current or next strongman, because strongman rule will save us? It’s like the “don’t tread on me” militia crowd voting by like a 90% margin for a regime that is now enacting every single one of the things they’ve been afraid of for 50 years: masked cops, opaque detention centers, assaulting (and murdering) people for legally exercisin…

What evidence do you have the Glenn Greenwald wants a strongman? If anything, he has been attacked by numerous 'strong men' (in various governments!) over several years.

Greenwald is a vocal and consistent anti-institutionalist, and this creates the conditions for strongmen to take over. Whether he is aware of having this effect is not relevant.

Re: Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

#49

I know it seems hard, but just stop using Google, Amazon, Meta products. Tell everyone you know to stop using their products. They have all been acquiring and amassing surveillance for years through their products and now they're just double dipping with AI training to sell you more of it. The more you can get people to realize and disconnect the better. I wish more people would use AI to build alternatives with a cl…

They are everywhere

Re: Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

#50
post #24
post #21

It’s pretty amazing when you get the worst of both worlds—total surveillance, yet still rampant crime.

The rampant crime is largely made up.

Compared to other major western countries, the US has a serious problem with violent crime in particular.
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