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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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I thought Republicans were for small government and were anti-censorship.

This is why the both sides argument is frustrating to hear. Yes. Both sides censor people. I'm sure we'll see a comment about Biden censoring anti covid vaccine posts and the poster is somewhat right. The difference is the Republicans run on freedom of speech making them hypocrites. Being a hypocrite is the worst attribute a politician can have in a representative democracy

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Large corporations, especially publicly traded ones, have zero power to resist their sovereign government. Publicly traded companies are heavily regulated and dependent on their stock price, making them trivially vulnerable to political retaliation. I’m not sure why people look to corporations for political resistance. It’s the wrong place to look. They’re not structured for it and it’s not their purpose.

Then what’s all the lobbying money for?

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I wonder how much the tech bros are going to regret having bent over for Trump in 2028 when a Democrat is sitting in the Whitehouse looking at rolling out some retribution using the new legal tools the Trump team succeeded in securing during his second term. We might see some heavy regulation descending onto the industry as a response. On the other hand, the long term trend of billionaires and large companies getting…

> I wonder how much the tech bros are going to regret having bent over for Trump in 2028.

I'm going to guess they'll have fled the country with their winnings by then.

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I thought Republicans were for small government and were anti-censorship.

This is why the both sides argument is frustrating to hear. Yes. Both sides censor people. I'm sure we'll see a comment about Biden censoring anti covid vaccine posts and the poster is somewhat right. The difference is the Republicans run on freedom of speech making them hypocrites. Being a hypocrite is the worst attribute a politician can have in a representative democracy

I'm not sure it's the worst attribute you can have, but I definitely agree with the sentiment.

As I've gotten older, I've become less fond of slippery slope style arguments. People love making them for censorship-related rules and laws.

"Oh if is allowed to ask/tell social media to stop publishing so many lies about covid then that means trump will be able to "

First of all, trump and his ilk are probably going to do regardless of what people did in the past and the technical legality of the actions seems to be of only minor concern.

Secondly, I hate this idea that laws and rules can't have nuances. We can, with our collective brain power, probably come up with a law that helps reduce covid lies and doesn't also apply to government criticism or whatever.

I get the appeal of a simple "all speech is free! No laws about speech allowed!" But fairly obviously you're going to have laws about fraud/threats/slander/"porn" at which point we're back to nuances and deciding which bits we allow and where.

As for modern republicans, I'm not old enough to have ever believed their states rights/small gov/freedom lies, but I thought I could at least count on them to be anti-russia invading other countries.

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What I find most interesting about this is that US tech companies are doing what people accuse China of doing.

In fact, theoretical Chinese informed was the entire (performative) justification for the Tiktok ban. The reality of course was that TikTok wouldn’t censor what the US government wanted to censor.

The irony is that these companies are sowing the seeds for their own destruction and the US government is undermining US tech dominance, which is a potent foreign policy tool.

I think Steve Jobs would be rolling over in his grave at Tim Cook’s capitalization. I once trusted Apple to be more user-forest than any other platform. Now? I think I’d trust Huawei more.

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What I find most interesting about this is that US tech companies are doing what people accuse China of doing. In fact, theoretical Chinese informed was the entire (performative) justification for the Tiktok ban. The reality of course was that TikTok wouldn’t censor what the US government wanted to censor. The irony is that these companies are sowing the seeds for their own destruction and the US government is underm…

At this point I think the biggest tangible difference between China and the US is that one country has high speed trains and affordable health care and the other has neither.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Sure corporations have to respect the LAW in their juradiction, even if said law is unpopular or unethical. But they don't have to, and shouldn't where ethics and human rights are involved, go beyond what is required by the law. Since Trump has come to power a lot of big organsations seem to be reversing their previous positions to gain political favour, which is wrong. The solution is probably for them t…

One Trump tweet can destroy a company’s stock price. Trump has amazing power over public companies as the absolute king of the attention economy.

its not just the tweets. this administration came out of the gate swinging with its extortionate demands. it claims the power to redirect, cancel, and append conditions to congressional funding. its has as its disposal all of the departments who ostensibly exist to serve the populace, and use them to file lawsuits, charge people with crimes, remove or establish new regulations or targeted taxes, all in service of whatever the president might desire.
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