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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by hinata08 »

GeertJohan wrote: post #35
PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

That's a great list. I've just opened a pull request on the minio repository to add these to the list of alternatives. https://github.com/minio/minio/pull/21746

While I do approve of that MR, doing it is ironic considering the topic was "MinIO repository is no longer maintained"

Let's hope the editor has second thoughts on some parts

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by adamcrow64 »

jbstack wrote: post #27
muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

exactly

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by igsomething »

apexalpha wrote: post #25
jamiemallers wrote: post #14

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I guess we need a new type of Open Source license. One that is very permissive except if you are a company with a much larger revenue than the company funding the open source project, then you have to pay. While I loath the moves to closed source you also can't fault them the hyperscalers just outcompete them with their own software.

Server Side Public License? Since it demands any company offering the project as a paid product/service to also open source the related infrastructure, the bigger companies end up creating a maintained fork with a more permissive license. See ElasticSearch -> OpenSearch, Redis -> Valkey

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by einpoklum »

apexalpha wrote: post #25
jamiemallers wrote: post #14

[dead]

I guess we need a new type of Open Source license. One that is very permissive except if you are a company with a much larger revenue than the company funding the open source project, then you have to pay. While I loath the moves to closed source you also can't fault them the hyperscalers just outcompete them with their own software.

I would say what we need is more of a push for software to become GPLed or AGPLed, so that it (mostly) can't be closed up in a 'betrayal' of the FOSS community around a project.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by wiether »

danirod wrote: post #16

AIstor. They just slap the word AI anywhere these days.

In French the adjective follows the name so AI is actually IA.

On AWS S3, you have a storage level called "Infrequent Access", shortened IA everywhere.

A few weeks ago I had to spend way too much time explaining to a customer that, no, we weren't planning on feeding their data to an AI when, on my reports, I was talking about relying on S3 IA to reduce costs...

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

jbstack wrote: post #27
muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

> then doing a bait-and-switch

FOSS is not a moral contract. People working for free owe nothing to no one. You got what's on the tin - the code is as open source once they stop as when they started.

The underlying assumption of your message is that you are somehow entitled to their continued labour which is absolutely not the case.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by black3r »

jychang wrote: post #6
paulkre wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maintenance-mode is very different from "THIS REPOSITORY IS NO LONGER MAINTAINED".

Yes, the difference is the latter means "it is no longer maintained", and the former is "they claim to be maintaining it but everyone knows it's not really being maintained".

in theory "maintenance mode" should mean that they still deal with security issues and "no longer maintained" that they don't even do that anymore...

unless a security issue is reported it does feel very much the same...

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by memset »

wvh wrote: post #36
PhilippGille wrote: post #3

They point to AIStor as alternative. Other alternatives: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs https://github.com/seaweedfs/seaweedfs https://github.com/supabase/storage https://github.com/scality/cloudserver https://github.com/ceph/ceph Among others

Apart from Minio, we tried Garage and Ceph. I think there's definitely a need for something that interfaces using S3 API but is just a simple file system underneath, for local, testing and small scale deployments. Not sure that exists? Of course a lot of stuff is being bolted onto S3 and it's not as simple as it initially claimed to be.

For testing, consider https://github.com/localstack/localstack
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