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"Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by thomassmith65 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #4

In one thread I am defending anonymity online from government mandated ID laws. Then I think to the persistent, malevolent, destructive lies that people spread with complete impunity and with faked video and photo evidence. This is not what the first amendment was designed to protect. Wary of making government the arbiter of truth, I don't know what society should do to combat this evil. In a fantasy world where I we…

Pseudonymity is sufficient to curb most antisocial behaviour on social media. A site operator doesn't need to know a malicious user's name but the operator should be able to permanently block someone.

It isn't necessary for anyone to be the arbiter of truth, but some body should be the arbiter of good taste. That someone doesn't need to be the government; it can be the community. Since good taste is subjective, it should be defined democratically.

At this point in history, it seems that unless social media has a mechanism to promote civilised behaviour, society will lose the ability to advance and improve.

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Post by autoexec »

Aurornis wrote: post #14
unethical_ban wrote: post #4

In one thread I am defending anonymity online from government mandated ID laws. Then I think to the persistent, malevolent, destructive lies that people spread with complete impunity and with faked video and photo evidence. This is not what the first amendment was designed to protect. Wary of making government the arbiter of truth, I don't know what society should do to combat this evil. In a fantasy world where I we…

This person wasn’t anonymous to TikTok. They were doing this for payments. TikTok had their information! Voluntarily, too. Forcing everyone to ID themselves to companies would not have changed anything about this story > In a fantasy world where I were king, the person who ran this tiktok would be in jail. Now take this thought one step further and imagine if the king was someone you disagreed with, putting people in…

> imagine if the king was someone you disagreed with, putting people in jail for posting things they didn’t like.

Which is why if we passed laws against this kind of thing they shouldn't make posting what the king doesn't like illegal. They should explicitly make it illegal to post disinformation harmful to others. It should work similarly to defamation laws where it makes no difference if you publish something someone else (king or not) doesn't like, as long as it's actually true.

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Post by ageitgey »

As a sidenote, Jim Waterson is doing amazing work at London Centric, single-handedly doing the kind of investigative journalism week after week via Substack funding that traditional media has abandoned. I highly recommend subscribing if you are in the London area.

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Post by barbazoo »

SimianSci wrote: post #28

Seems to be an extension of something we are dealing with across multiple parts of many societies. Monetary pursuit has become a guiding principle for alot of people, and its been revealed that such thinking is leading to major societal consequences. The current Technocratic idealization of efficiency by those in powerful positions is missing the second order consequences of financializing everything, and it appears…

> Monetary pursuit has become a guiding principle for alot of people

People need money to survive. The wealthy class have made it such that it's harder and harder to earn enough money the normal way. Often it doesn't even pay enough to survive. This is what creative people come up with in order to make a living. And it's obviously not in the wealthy class' interest to make any changes to that.

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Post by nine_k »

I always remember this excellent sci-fi story about exactly such things: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

Strong emotions drive engagement. There are rather few of them; simple joy / laughter (think cat videos) is one that's relatively easy to evoke, but hate is equally easy to evoke, and it's much stronger.

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Post by legitster »

I know a lot of people who watch this kind of garbage and find it very convincing. The minute you add a video component, it tricks people into thinking they are seeing something raw and firsthand.

We're all so worried about the effects of AI generated video (with good reason), but the truth is that DIP (Deceptive imagery persuasion) is unbelievably easy and cheap to do anywhere. You can take an innocuous video of a tank from anywhere, and then add a fake caption that says "this is a Venezuela drug cartel" and an average person has almost no defense mechanisms against it.

It's also not something platforms could even police. If anything, nation state actors are already taking this to their advantage.

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Post by hearsathought »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

there is a also a very strong anti india sentiment on twitter / x just search for #india or look at the comments of posts made by people like vivek ramaswamy , nikki haley, and any other politician and you ll see it. I wonder if this is some kinda state sponsored campaign for objectives that are not clear to me

> there is a also a very strong anti india sentiment on twitter / x just search for #india or look at the comments of posts made by people like vivek ramaswamy , nikki haley, and any other politician and you ll see it.

In a time of rising anti-immigration and anti-foreigner sentiment across the world, you are shocked by anti-india comments?

> I wonder if this is some kinda state sponsored campaign for objectives that are not clear to me

Or musk got rid of the censors on twitter ( many of whom were of indian origin ) and now people are free to express themselves?

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