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Can my SPARC server host a website?

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Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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27 years ago my job was hosting hundreds of websites (CBS News, among them) on Sun hardware just like that. It baffles me that anyone would consider this a question at all.

Same here, I was more of a big iron UNIX guy on those days, the Linux server we had at the office was for hosting MP3 files and as Quake server for the occasional LAN parties.

Aix, HP-UX and Solaris, alongside Windows NT/2000 were our production server operating systems.

Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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post #22
post #17

27 years ago my job was hosting hundreds of websites (CBS News, among them) on Sun hardware just like that. It baffles me that anyone would consider this a question at all.

Were those websites supporting SSL connections, much less TLS 1.2? That would be my question on hardware that old. (In this case, it looks like they offload TLS to Cloudflare, so the machine itself isn't doing any encryption/decryption.)

Yes, already back most people would not be putting their credit card details just like that.

Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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post #33

Doesn't Solaris still live on as the illumos distributions? Tribblix still has SPARC64 builds.

First Solaris still lives on as Solaris, it was the very first UNIX to have hardware memory tagging to tame C.

And yes, there are a couple of distributions based on OpenSolaris, one of them powers Oxide infrastructure.

Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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post #35

Slightly off topic, but: is it just me or does it become uninteresting to read things like this when the whole process is basically “so then I asked Claude this, and then I asked it this, and then this…” I guess it takes away the intrigue of the project because anyone could do this (ask ai), and the only thing human left about it is the creativity of the idea itself. There’s not much merit to the effort. Edit: nothin…

I agree. I thought this was really interesting until I got to the point of them needing to fire up an assistant to write basic Apache config - ok fine maybe they were just introducing the assistant - but the next paragraph they were talking about using multiple agents for this despite not knowing why. I gave up at that point, it's not even slightly interesting for me

Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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Interesting it is running OpenBSD 7.8. These old SPARCs are beloved by their developers for their ability to uncover obscure low-level bugs due to the platform's strictness. Everyone else has adequately pointed out SPARC boxes basically ran the Internet back in the day. It wasn't uncommon to have a single box hosting an entire university department: email, web serving, application server, login shell, etc.

It’s also Theo’s favourite architecture, afaik he was mostly working on SPARC back on NetBSD before the fork. I’d expect it to well supported for a while longer, even if practically no one else uses it.

Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He offloads TLS to the Proxmox server within their home network. TLS is used between that server and Cloudflare to keep everything safe during transport.

Recent OpenBSD should be able to do modern TLS, and probably ACME, which would have been more interesting.

The question is more about the hardware. Back then, TLS existed but was used sparingly for things like banking, because of the computational overhead, at both the server and client end. Today's computers are so much faster that we don't even think about it.

Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The Netscape IPO was over 30 years ago. What do people think the web was running on back then? And why do you think that machine is called a Netra?

> And why do you think that machine is called a Netra? Netras were designed for telco use so not for any obvious reason as you suggest. It was available with -48V power supplies.

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Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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post #22
post #17

27 years ago my job was hosting hundreds of websites (CBS News, among them) on Sun hardware just like that. It baffles me that anyone would consider this a question at all.

Were those websites supporting SSL connections, much less TLS 1.2? That would be my question on hardware that old. (In this case, it looks like they offload TLS to Cloudflare, so the machine itself isn't doing any encryption/decryption.)

Typically, fun memory they'd move to a secure connection for credit card input, but most of the site would be open HTTP - why secure what isn't confidential? Concerns about 3rd parties eavesdropping on the sites you visited weren't a big thing at the turn of the century.

Re: Can my SPARC server host a website?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recent OpenBSD should be able to do modern TLS, and probably ACME, which would have been more interesting.

The question is more about the hardware. Back then, TLS existed but was used sparingly for things like banking, because of the computational overhead, at both the server and client end. Today's computers are so much faster that we don't even think about it.

AES-GCM would be very slow on such an old computer, without hardware instructions for AES and for CLMUL.

However, this is precisely the reason why TLS also has the option to use ChaCha20-Poly1305, which will have a decent speed even on an ancient SPARC CPU, though on the most recent CPUs it cannot match the throughput of AES-GCM, which is preferred on these.

So if you want to use a SPARC with TLS 1.3, you must configure it to avoid AES-GCM and use only ChaCha20-Poly1305.

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