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Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

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Post by michaelcampbell »

HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #21
sobjornstad wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second this. GitHub used to be a fantastic product. Now it barely even works. Even basic functionality like the timeline updating when I push commits is unreliable. The other day I opened a PR diff (not even a particularly large one) and it took fully 15 seconds after the page visually finished loading -- on a $2,000 dev machine -- before any UI elements became clickable. This happened repeatedly. It is fairly stun…

The trend of "non-functional software" is happening everywhere. See the recent articles about Copilot in Notepad, failing to start because you aren't signed in with your Microsoft Account. We are in a future that nobody wanted.

MS PM's wanted it, got their OKR's OK'd, got their bonuses, and moved on.

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#42

Post by zero_shift »

noodlesUK wrote: post #36
zero_shift wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an aside, God, Azure DevOps, what a total pile of crap that product is My "favourite" restriction that an Azure DevOps PR description is limited to a pathetic 4000 characters.

It shows you the level of quality to expect from a Microsoft flagship cloud product...

So I work for a devtools vendor (Snyk) and 6 months ago I signed into Azure DevOps for the first time in my life

I couldn't believe it. I actually thought the product was broken. Just from a visual perspective it looked like a student project. And then I got to _using_ the damn thing

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#44

Post by wnevets »

noodlesUK wrote: post #3

Can someone in GitHub senior leadership please start paying attention and reprioritise towards actually delivering a product that's at least relatively reliable? I moved my company over to GH enterprise last year (from AzDO) and I'm considering moving us away to another vendor altogether as a result of the constant partial outages. Things that used to "just work" now are slow in the UI, and GH actions fail to schedul…

> Can someone in GitHub senior leadership please start paying attention and reprioritise towards actually delivering a product that's at least relatively reliable?

They claim that is what they are doing right now. [1]

[1] https://thenewstack.io/github-will-prioritize-migrating-to-a...

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#45

Post by tibbar »

zero_shift wrote: post #23
noodlesUK wrote: post #3

Can someone in GitHub senior leadership please start paying attention and reprioritise towards actually delivering a product that's at least relatively reliable? I moved my company over to GH enterprise last year (from AzDO) and I'm considering moving us away to another vendor altogether as a result of the constant partial outages. Things that used to "just work" now are slow in the UI, and GH actions fail to schedul…

As an aside, God, Azure DevOps, what a total pile of crap that product is My "favourite" restriction that an Azure DevOps PR description is limited to a pathetic 4000 characters.

You would kind of expect with the pressure of supporting OpenAI and GitHub etc. that Azure would have been whipped into shape by now.

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#46

Post by skywhopper »

This is the predictable outcome of subordinating the GitHub product to the overarching "AI must be part of everything whether it makes sense or not" mandate coming down from the top. It was only a year ago that GitHub was moved under the "CoreAI" group at Microsoft, and there's been plenty of stories of massive cost-cutting and forcing teams to focus on AI workflows instead of their actual product priorities. To the extent they are drinking their own Kool-Aid, this sort of ops failure is also an entirely predictable outcome of too much reliance on LLM-generated code and workflows rather than human expertise, something we see happening at an alarming scale in a number of public MS repos.

Hopefully it will get bad enough fast enough that they'll recognize they need to drastically change how they are operating. But I fear we're just witnessing a slow slide into complacency and settling for being a substandard product with monopoly-power name recognition.

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#47

Post by habitable5 »

HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #21
sobjornstad wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second this. GitHub used to be a fantastic product. Now it barely even works. Even basic functionality like the timeline updating when I push commits is unreliable. The other day I opened a PR diff (not even a particularly large one) and it took fully 15 seconds after the page visually finished loading -- on a $2,000 dev machine -- before any UI elements became clickable. This happened repeatedly. It is fairly stun…

The trend of "non-functional software" is happening everywhere. See the recent articles about Copilot in Notepad, failing to start because you aren't signed in with your Microsoft Account. We are in a future that nobody wanted.

> We are in a future that nobody wanted.

some people wanted this future and put in untold amount of money to make it happen. Hint: one of them is a rabid Tolkien fan.

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#48

Post by joeskyyy »

Kovah wrote: post #20

I consider moving away from Github, but I need a solid CI solution, and ideally a container registry as well. Would totally pay for a solution that just works . Any good recommendations?

Long time GitLab fan myself. The platform itself is quite solid, and GitLab CI is extremely straightforward but allows for a lot of complexity if you need it. They have registries as well, though admittedly the permission stuff around them is a bit wonky. But it definitely works and integrates nicely when you use everything all in one!

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#49

Post by blibble »

betaby wrote: post #4
vampiregrey wrote: post #2

At this point, GitHub outages feel closer to cloud provider outages than a SaaS blip. Curious how many people here still run self-hosted Git (GitLab / Gitea) vs fully outsourcing version control.

Self hosted GitLab is absolutely worth it.

forgejo doesn't need half a supercomputer to run it

Re: Another GitHub outage in the same day

#50

Post by co_king_3 »

noodlesUK wrote: post #3

Can someone in GitHub senior leadership please start paying attention and reprioritise towards actually delivering a product that's at least relatively reliable? I moved my company over to GH enterprise last year (from AzDO) and I'm considering moving us away to another vendor altogether as a result of the constant partial outages. Things that used to "just work" now are slow in the UI, and GH actions fail to schedul…

> Can someone in GitHub senior leadership please start paying attention and reprioritise towards actually delivering a product that's at least relatively reliable?

It's Microsoft. A reliable product is not a reasonable expectation.

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