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OpenClaw is changing my life

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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by yellow_lead »

> My productivity did improve, but for any given task, I still had to jump into the project, set up the environment, open my editor and Claude Code terminal. I was still the operator; the only difference was that instead of typing code manually, I was typing intent into a chat box.

> Then OpenClaw came along, and everything changed.

> After a few rounds of practice, I found that I could completely step away from the programming environment and handle an entire project’s development, testing, deployment, launch, and usage—all through chatting on my phone.

So, with Claude Code, you're stuck typing in a chat box. Now, with OpenClaw, you can type in a chat box on your phone? This is exciting and revolutionary.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#42

Post by phito »

guerrilla wrote: post #22
phito wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, I'm not going to waste my time reading this AI generating post that's basically promoting itself. What I really wonder, is who the heck is upvoting this slop on hackernews?

It only has 11 points. It just got caught in the algorithm. That's all.

But I see these kinds of post every day on HN with hundreds of upvotes. And it's a thousand times worse on Reddit.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#43

Post by DeathArrow »

gyomu wrote: post #18

> it completely transformed my workflow, whether it’s personal or commercial projects > This has truly freed up my productivity, letting me pursue so many ideas I couldn’t move forward on before If you're writing in a blog post that AI has changed your life and let you build so many amazing projects, you should link to the projects. Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their aut…

>Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their author is supposedly building with AI.

Maybe they don't feel like sharing yet another half working Javascript Sudoku Solver or yet another half working AI tool no one will ever use?

Probably they feel amazed about what they accomplished but they feel the public won't feel the same.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#44

Post by Nextgrid »

alpineman wrote: post #32
Maxion wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of more senior coders when they actively try vibe coding a greenfield project find that it does actually work. But only for the first ~10kloc. After that the AI, no matter how well you try to prompt it, will start to destroy existing features accidentally, will add unnecessary convoluted logic to the code, will leave benhind dead code, add random traces "for backwards compatibility", will avoid doing the correc…

You’re right, but on the other hand once you have a basic understanding security, architecture, etc you can prompt around these issues. You need a couple of years of experience but that’s far less then the 10-15 years of experience you needed in the past. If you spend a couple of years with an LLM really watching and understanding what it’s doing and learning from mistakes, then you can get up the ladder very quickly…

I find that security, architecture, etc is exactly the kind of skill that takes 10-15 years to hone. Every boot camp, training provider, educational foundation, etc has an incentive to find a shortcut and we're yet to see one.

A "basic" understanding in critical domains is extremely dangerous and an LLM will often give you a false sense of security that things are going fine while overlooking potential massive security issues.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#45

Post by snowe2010 »

HumanOstrich wrote: post #31
nurettin wrote: post #2

This euphoria quickly turns into disappointment once you finish scaffolding and actually start the development/refinement phase and claude/codex starts shitting all over the code and you have to babysit it 100% of the time.

That's a different problem and not really relevant to OpenClaw. Also, your issue is primarily a skills issue (your skills) if you're using one of the latest models on Claude Code or Codex.

You have to be joking. I tried Codex for several hours and it has to be one of the worst models I’ve seen. It was extremely fast at spitting out the worst broken code possible. Claude is fine, but what they said is completely correct. At a certain point, no matter what model you use, llms cannot write good working code. This usually occurs after they’ve written thousands of lines of relatively decent code. Then the project gets large enough that if they touch one thing they break ten others.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#46

Post by nurettin »

HumanOstrich wrote: post #31
nurettin wrote: post #2

This euphoria quickly turns into disappointment once you finish scaffolding and actually start the development/refinement phase and claude/codex starts shitting all over the code and you have to babysit it 100% of the time.

That's a different problem and not really relevant to OpenClaw. Also, your issue is primarily a skills issue (your skills) if you're using one of the latest models on Claude Code or Codex.

Well, I will not be berated by an ostrich!

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#47

Post by sshine »

gyomu wrote: post #21
bwb wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah, I read that as well and made a big "hmmmmmmmmm" sound... The last time I talked to someone about OpenClaw and how it is helping them, they told me it tells them what their calendar has for them today or auto-tweets for them (i.e., non-human spam). The first is as simple as checking your calendar, and the second is blatant spam. Anyone found some good use cases beyond a better interface for AI code assistance?

I think a sizable proportion of people just want to play "large company exec". Their dream is to have an assistant telling them how busy their day is, all the meetings they have, then to go to those meetings and listen to random fluff people tell them while saying "mmh yeah what a wise observation" or "mmh no not enough synergy here, let's pivot and really leave our mark on this market, crunch the numbers again". I c…

> LARP'ing CEO

My experience with plain Claude Code is that I can step back and get an overview of what I'm doing, since I tend to hyperfocus on problems, preventing me from having a simultaneous overview.

It does feel like being a project manager (a role I've partially filled before) having your agency in autopilot, which is still more control than having team members do their thing.

So while it may feel very empowering to be the CEO of your own computer, the question is if it has any CEO-like effect on your work.

Taking it back to Claude Code and feeling like a manager, it certainly does have a real effect for me.

I won't dispute that running a bunch of agents in sync won't give you an extension of that effect.

The real test is: Do you invoice accordingly?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#48

Post by bspinner »

huijzer wrote: post #36
necklesspen wrote: post #8

The same author had good things to say about the R1, a device you generally won't see many glowing reviews about. ( https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo... ) Maybe it's unfair to judge an author's current opinion by their past opinion - but since the piece is ultimately an opinion based on their own experience I'm going to take it along a giant pile of salt that the author's standards for the…

> Maybe it's unfair to judge an author's current opinion by their past opinion Yes I think it is

No, it's actually reasonable und perfectly fine. Reputation, trustworthiness, limited/different perspectives exist.

And one sided media does as weil. Or do you expect Fox News to publish an unbiased report just next?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#49

Post by HumanOstrich »

snowe2010 wrote: post #45
HumanOstrich wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a different problem and not really relevant to OpenClaw. Also, your issue is primarily a skills issue (your skills) if you're using one of the latest models on Claude Code or Codex.

You have to be joking. I tried Codex for several hours and it has to be one of the worst models I’ve seen. It was extremely fast at spitting out the worst broken code possible. Claude is fine, but what they said is completely correct. At a certain point, no matter what model you use, llms cannot write good working code. This usually occurs after they’ve written thousands of lines of relatively decent code. Then the p…

I beg to differ, and so do a lot of other people. But if you're locked into this mindset, I can't help you.

Also, Codex isn't a model, so you don't even understand the basics.

And you spent "several hours" on it? I wish I could pick up useful skills by flailing around for a few hours. You'll need to put more effort into learning how to use CLI agents effectively.

Start with understanding what Codex is, what models it has available, and which one is the most recent and most capable for your usage.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

#50

Post by tkel »

phito wrote: post #42
guerrilla wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only has 11 points. It just got caught in the algorithm. That's all.

But I see these kinds of post every day on HN with hundreds of upvotes. And it's a thousand times worse on Reddit.

The hundreds of billions of dollars in investment probably have something to do with it. Many wealthy/powerful people are playing for hegemonic control of a decent chunk of the US economy. The entire GDP increase for the US last year was due to AI and by extension data centers. So not only the AI execs, but every single capitalist in the US whose wealth depends on line going every up year. Which is, like, all of them. In the wealthiest country on the planet.

So many wealthy players invested the outcome, and the technology for astroturfing (LLMs) can ironically be used to boost itself and further its own development

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