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Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by thrance »

shermantanktop wrote: post #36
padjo wrote: post #14

Makes sense, using an office suite hosted by a hostile power isn't a very smart longterm strategy.

The trend up until the 2010s was that global companies were so big and ubiquitous that they could dictate the economic actions of nations, not the other way around. International military conflicts were influenced by the likes of Halliburton. Corporations were the new nation-states, countries were mere speed bumps in the flow of global capital. That was seen by some as a great thing, aligning everyone’s interests tog…

I'd say it goes beyond nationalism. Even countries that haven't succumbed to the far right are forced to play by the new rules. I've heard some refer to it as "neomercantilism".

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by admissionsguy »

xedrac wrote: post #38
admissionsguy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow True as it may be that they are slow, I doubt it's caused by the use of dynamic programming languages. > The money should be secured immediately that cannot be touched by the upcoming governments. It should increase taxes. Independence has a price. We as Europeans should be ready to pay it. You do you, but increasing tax…

> I doubt it's caused by the use of dynamic programming languages. Depends which ones. Python? Definitely a source of slowness.

Hard imagining well designed web app bottlenecked by server-side processing that is not offloaded to database, or done via bindings to libraries written in compiled languages.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by echelon »

admissionsguy wrote: post #37
okanat wrote: post #26

Okay this is nowhere near an "Office suite". It is a cloud collaboration suite with a glorified markdown editor and with some extra utilities around. Almost nobody buys stuff like Google Docs and Microsoft Office for this reason. From my experience using open-source collaboration groupware like Nextcloud, their solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow. Only thing…

> solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow True as it may be that they are slow, I doubt it's caused by the use of dynamic programming languages. > The money should be secured immediately that cannot be touched by the upcoming governments. It should increase taxes. Independence has a price. We as Europeans should be ready to pay it. You do you, but increasing tax…

> You do you, but increasing taxes to build products to replace products built by private enterprise sounds like a 180 degree opposite of what Europe needs to prosper.

Shhh, don't tell them.

(Kidding, of course.)

The best solution is skin-in-the-game, for-profit enterprise coupled with rigorous antitrust enforcement.

Companies will go a million times faster than open source. They're greedy and will tear the skin off of inefficiencies and eat them for lunch. That's what they do. Let the system of capitalism work for you. It's an optimization algorithm. One of the very best.

But when companies get too big and start starving off competition, that's when you need to declaw them and restore evolutionary pressure. Even lions should have to work hard to hunt, and they should starve and die with old age to keep the ecosystem thriving.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by nolroz »

michelsedgh wrote: post #32
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The project benefits from the visibilityband community of GitHub and GitHub is completely replaceable with European hosted or self-hostable options should something untoward happen.

But they still chose an American company, github, lol ironic

It's the code that's hosted on GitHub, not the documents. Easier to move, easier to negotiate a move. You get visibility and easy distribution until they feel the need to bail.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by sylware »

Of course, it is not forcing to use any whatng cartel web engines namely has noscript/basic (x)html interop support (aka classic web) and/or with public and as simple as possible network protocols anyone can implement a rich GUI client for.

Of course its SDK has components choosen with care to maximize alternative (present and future) availability and its code is not stored on microsoft github.com.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by dingi »

ricardobeat wrote: post #40

Why is Django so popular among open-source projects like these, especially government funded? I’ve never happened to see a commercial project use it in my twenty years in the field. Ruby/Go or even bun or node would be much more approachable and performant options today.

Django is boring in a best possible way. Rather than spending six months setting up a bunch of microservices, you spend couple weeks on Django and ship a working product. Built in admin dashboard for example is a godsend at small scale.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by petcat »

ricardobeat wrote: post #40

Why is Django so popular among open-source projects like these, especially government funded? I’ve never happened to see a commercial project use it in my twenty years in the field. Ruby/Go or even bun or node would be much more approachable and performant options today.

> I’ve never seen a commercial project use it in my twenty years in the field.

This is very surprising to me considering some of the largest sites in the world are built on Django. Instagram, Pinterest, for instance. Large parts of stripe and Robinhood are implemented with Django. Eventbrite, bitbucket. I believe even Sentry is.

All commercial products.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by ericd »

admissionsguy wrote: post #37
okanat wrote: post #26

Okay this is nowhere near an "Office suite". It is a cloud collaboration suite with a glorified markdown editor and with some extra utilities around. Almost nobody buys stuff like Google Docs and Microsoft Office for this reason. From my experience using open-source collaboration groupware like Nextcloud, their solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow. Only thing…

> solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow True as it may be that they are slow, I doubt it's caused by the use of dynamic programming languages. > The money should be secured immediately that cannot be touched by the upcoming governments. It should increase taxes. Independence has a price. We as Europeans should be ready to pay it. You do you, but increasing tax…

It’s building infrastructure, which should lower costs in the long term. Seems like a good use of money from where I’m sitting.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by seszett »

michelsedgh wrote: post #32
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The project benefits from the visibilityband community of GitHub and GitHub is completely replaceable with European hosted or self-hostable options should something untoward happen.

But they still chose an American company, github, lol ironic

There's nothing ironic, as since the GP said there is no risk associated with GitHub. Git fundamentally prevents vendor lock-in and tampering, and the project is open, so the US have no leverage and pose no threat at all here.
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