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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by wtetzner » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:32 PM UTC

n4r9 wrote: post #28

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Pain can mean tedium rather than intellectual challenge.

I really struggle to understand how people can find coding more tedious than prompting. To each their own I guess.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by echelon » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:33 PM UTC

estimator7292 wrote: post #38

echelon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please forgive me for being blunt, I want to emphasize how much this strikes me. Your post feels like the last generation lamenting the new generation. Why can't we just use radios and slide rules? If you've ever enjoyed the sci-fi genre, do you think the people in those stories are writing C and JavaScript? There's so much plumbing and refactoring bullshit in writing code. I've written years of five nines high SLA c…

Burn the planet to the ground because your life is boring. Extremely mature stance you've got there

This is 1960's era anti-nuclear all over again.

People on Reddit posting AI art are getting death threats. It's absurd.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by avidiax » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:33 PM UTC

The author seems to mistake having to update Node.js for a security patch to be a curse rather than a blessing.

The alternative is that your bespoke solution has undiscovered security vulnerabilities, probably no security community, and no easy fix for either of those.

You get the privilege of patching Node.js.

Similarly, as a hiring manager, you can hire a React developer. You can't hire a "proprietary AI coded integrated project" developer.

This piece seems to say more about React than it says about a general shift in software engineering.

Don't like React? Easiest it's ever been not to use it.

Don't like libraries, abstractions and code reuse in general? Avoid them at your peril. You will quickly reach the frontier of your domain knowledge and resourcing, and start producing bespoke square wheels without a maintenance plan.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by objclxt » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:34 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #30

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Please forgive me for being blunt, I want to emphasize how much this strikes me. Your post feels like the last generation lamenting the new generation. Why can't we just use radios and slide rules? If you've ever enjoyed the sci-fi genre, do you think the people in those stories are writing C and JavaScript? There's so much plumbing and refactoring bullshit in writing code. I've written years of five nines high SLA c…

> Your post feels like the last generation lamenting the new generation [...] There's so much plumbing and refactoring bullshit in writing code [...] I've had my excitement

I don't read the OP as saying that: to me they're saying you're still going to have plumbing and bullshit, it's just your plumbing and bullshit is now going to be in prompt engineering and/or specifications, rather than the code itself.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by wtetzner » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:35 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #30

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Please forgive me for being blunt, I want to emphasize how much this strikes me. Your post feels like the last generation lamenting the new generation. Why can't we just use radios and slide rules? If you've ever enjoyed the sci-fi genre, do you think the people in those stories are writing C and JavaScript? There's so much plumbing and refactoring bullshit in writing code. I've written years of five nines high SLA c…

> Your post feels like the last generation lamenting the new generation.

> The future is exciting.

Not the GP, but I honestly wanted to be excited about LLMs. And they do have good uses. But you quickly start to see the cracks in them, and they just aren't nearly as exciting as I thought they'd be. And a lot of the coding workflows people are using just don't seem that productive or valuable to me. AI just isn't solving the hard problems in software development. Maybe it will some day.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:37 PM UTC

wtetzner wrote: post #34

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

> It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I find it strange to compare the comment sections for AI articles with those about vim/emacs etc. In the vim/emacs comments, people always state that typing in code hardly takes any time, and thinking hard is where they spend their time, so it's not worth learning to type fast. Then in the AI comments, they say that with AI writing the…

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by creata » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:37 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #30

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Please forgive me for being blunt, I want to emphasize how much this strikes me. Your post feels like the last generation lamenting the new generation. Why can't we just use radios and slide rules? If you've ever enjoyed the sci-fi genre, do you think the people in those stories are writing C and JavaScript? There's so much plumbing and refactoring bullshit in writing code. I've written years of five nines high SLA c…

> I want to be able to make art and music and movies and games.

Then make them. What's stopping you?

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by srdjanr » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:37 PM UTC

pkorzeniewski wrote: post #32

So the suggestion here is that instead of using battle tested libraries/frameworks, everyone should now build their own versions, each with an unique set of silent bugs?

> Why do you ever need, for most of the use cases you can think of, a useless, expensive, flawed, often vulnerable framework

Like the vibe coded solution won't be flawed and vulnerable

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by wtetzner » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:39 PM UTC

CuriouslyC wrote: post #22

I disagree about ditching abstractions. Programmatic abstractions aren't just a way to reduce the amount of code you write, they're also a common language to understand large systems more easily, and a way to make sure systems that get built are predictable.

Not only that, but a way to factor systems so you can make changes to them without spooky action at a distance. Of course, you have to put in a lot of effort to make that happen, but that's why it doesn't seem to me that LLM's are solving the hard part of software development in the first place.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by Ronsenshi » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 2:39 PM UTC

Pretty much completely disagree with the OP. Software Engineering never left, maybe the author moved away from it instead.

> Stop wrapping broken legs in silk. Start building things that are yours.

This however is deeply wrong for me. Anyone who writes and reviews code regularly knows very well that reading code doesn't lead to the same deep intuitive understanding of the codebase as writing same code.

So, no, with AI you are not building things which are yours. You might call them yours, but you lose deeper understanding of what you built.