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Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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Not to the general public. Your neighbor very likely cannot just go to a website and look up your title and current salary, like I can for the guy who lives down the block who currently works for the city I live in.

https://theworknumber.com/login-help

Yes, not available to the general public.

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

#42
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Perhaps a uniquely American opinion, but employees can opt out quickly and easily by not getting paid by public funds. Most public sector jobs have private sector equivalents. If you want to help people find jobs and your privacy is important enough to make public sector work untenable, get a job with one of the private sector organizations that does that. > elected officials...have to expose their street address to…

> I can think of no reason why constituents should not know where the people in power over them live. I can think of plenty of reasons. Political violence in democracies is on the rise globally, and not the sort of organized political violence that people might use to liberate themselves from the chains of oppressors, but rather the kind of lunatic political violence that is committed by irrational lone actors who ar…

Its literally the last check of power... rich people will find out exactly where the power people live. The masses also need to know

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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> I can think of no reason why constituents should not know where the people in power over them live. I can think of plenty of reasons. Political violence in democracies is on the rise globally, and not the sort of organized political violence that people might use to liberate themselves from the chains of oppressors, but rather the kind of lunatic political violence that is committed by irrational lone actors who ar…

Its literally the last check of power... rich people will find out exactly where the power people live. The masses also need to know

The last check on power is murdering politicians in their homes? I beg to differ. If the situation is so bad that violence is truly necessary, the last check is an organized revolution, not an assassination. If the figure is a genuine dictator and important enough to have real power, they would have extensive security surrounding their home anyways. This fantasy of assassinating a would-be Putin or whatever does not justify exposing the addresses of city councilmen or judges or whatever random public servant somebody wants to kill over their grievances.

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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When an overworked air traffic controller in Germany gave a plane an instruction that happened to be the opposite of TCAS automatic collision avoidance system, and one pilot followed TCAS to avoid a collision and one followed the controller, the planes crashed and everybody died. A family member of one of the passengers looked up, hunted down, and murdered in cold blood the air traffic controller.

You left out - was a foreigner, managed to escape, faced zero consequences at home (AFAIK).

He didn't escape, he sentence was reduced from 8 to 3 1/2 by a Swiss judge. The reasoning was that his mental state was properly accounted for. Who knows if lobbying from Russia played a part in that. Also, not only did he face no consequences at home, he was celebrated and given a high-level job.

Maybe it's my American-ness showing, but it's pretty shocking to me that 8 years was considered too harsh for someone who stabbed a man to death in front of his family.

On the other hand, I suppose one could argue that the perpetrator was highly unlikely to commit a similar act in the future, if only because his motivation was the death of his own family, who would no longer be around to inspire him to violence a second time.

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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You left out - was a foreigner, managed to escape, faced zero consequences at home (AFAIK).

He didn't escape, he sentence was reduced from 8 to 3 1/2 by a Swiss judge. The reasoning was that his mental state was properly accounted for. Who knows if lobbying from Russia played a part in that. Also, not only did he face no consequences at home, he was celebrated and given a high-level job. Maybe it's my American-ness showing, but it's pretty shocking to me that 8 years was considered too harsh for someone who…

Until some other nefarious air traffic controller waits for him to remarry and have another family.

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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post #4

What would happen if we just banned data brokers?

Then many complex commercial activities would be eliminated or have far higher transaction/insurance costs. For example, loans. They would be priced against average risk, and low-risk individuals with privacy would pay the same risk premium as high-risk individuals. This may be fine for individuals who voluntary give up privacy at chosen moments for chosen partners. It would be more complex and expensive to operate t…

Would that then involve private investigators?

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

#48
post #38
post #4

What would happen if we just banned data brokers?

Better question: What if we actually punished perpetrators of threats and doxing with the existing laws we have against terroristic threats? Why do we treat this as some unstoppable force of nature when the vast majority of them come through traceable methods like mail or phone?

Why not both?

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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Its literally the last check of power... rich people will find out exactly where the power people live. The masses also need to know

The last check on power is murdering politicians in their homes? I beg to differ. If the situation is so bad that violence is truly necessary, the last check is an organized revolution, not an assassination. If the figure is a genuine dictator and important enough to have real power, they would have extensive security surrounding their home anyways. This fantasy of assassinating a would-be Putin or whatever does not…

> The last check on power is murdering politicians in their homes?

You said murder, but there are plenty of valid reasons that the public should know who holds positions of power and where they live that don't involve violence of any kind.

Protest is an essential freedom we have and it's perfectly valid to do it outside of the homes of those we have put in power. It's also useful to have that information when investigating fraud and corruption.

Re: Data Brokers Can Fuel Violence Against Public Servants

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post #29
post #4

What would happen if we just banned data brokers?

Then many complex commercial activities would be eliminated or have far higher transaction/insurance costs. For example, loans. They would be priced against average risk, and low-risk individuals with privacy would pay the same risk premium as high-risk individuals. This may be fine for individuals who voluntary give up privacy at chosen moments for chosen partners. It would be more complex and expensive to operate t…

Loans were enormously profitable long before people were tracked 24/7 and all their data sold by brokers. We'd get by just fine without it.
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