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We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The garbage that counts as 'invented' in 2010-present has a third of the thought, twice the expense, and mandatory dlc.

Yeah, that quote is starting to show it's age.

The thing that's really interesting about quotes like these, and probably adds validity to the fact that they might not be true anymore is not just how outdated they are, but how young they likely are. Before the industrial revolution, things didn't change fast enough for this quote to be valid. Now they change too fast.

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I was hoping this would be more fleshed out as an article, but the sentiment is understandable. Want to throw some of my knowledge of digital music, as you called it out specifically. In the late 90s most digitally arranged music production was relegated to trackers (think Amiga trackers) and sequencing samples and loops, because the storage simply didn't exist. Then that would be committed to tape, sometimes on a 4-…

Tracker music was always a hobbyist thing, with a few exceptions. Not really relevant in the greater music scene.

But digitally produced music was of course a huge thing in the 90s. Countless genres of electronic music – techno, trance, house, whatever have you, all of that made on computers. And of course pop was almost all synth – digital synth – just like today.

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Yeah it was great if you weren't gay.

Infant mortality was also 1.5x higher in the US than it is today. (Depending on who we mean by "we", this difference can be much larger.) Cystic fibrosis was a death sentence. "Late 90's" barely includes the development of effective AIDS treatment, though certainly not the rollout. (Maybe part of what you were getting at above, besides gay marriage.) Etc etc.

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This is true, and I think a good indicator of its truth is that basically all generations agree about it. Even Gen Z, who weren’t alive at the time.

Yup that's the thing: it's not only people who lived that era who do wish they could live in it today.

I never wanted to live in the post-WW II late 40s/50s: maybe the sixties though. For honestly the late 40s and 50s looked incredibly dull. Just dull: movies were dull, acting was dumb, music was mostly pathetic save for a few exceptions.

The boomers really lived the absolute dullest, naive, era and nobody fantasizes on it.

There's never been a teenager from the 80s or 90s saying: "Oh wow, I so wish I lived in the 50s". That's not a thing.

And yet I see many young persons asking me, today, about the 80s and 90s. They like some of the music (sure, some were cheesy but it wasn't the uber dull pathetic stuff from the 50s: not to mention the incredible poor recordings unless you were as successful as Elvis Presley) and they definitely enjoy some of the epic movies. And the cars: many twenty-agers do love cars from the 80s and 90s.

They understand it was pretty much today's world, but less soul-sucking.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm jealous of my kids since they are so much better off in every way Really? It’s interesting how much I see this take online. I never see people saying this IRL.

Yes of course I am. This is the best possible time quite literally. Barely any conflict. The entire world, including 'poor' countries, are getting richer. Like the world of 2100 is going to be F'ING amazing. We are making our way to a post scarcity world and it's amazing. All the negative news you hear everyday are just distractions from what's actually going on.

It is very hard to hear the good news happening “somewhere” when you see the bad news happening in your backyard.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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The Internet is to blame! But you could say we peaked before electricity too: - It broke our natural circadian rhythm - It enabled the 24-hr grind - With radios and televisions, people were now staying home for leisure instead of going to parks and public spaces (TV dinners!) - It led to immense pollution Technology really is a double edged sword.

Quality of life has a lot to do with how you choose to spend your time.

I know lots of people that have no idea what Reddit is. They’ve never had a Facebook account.

Those aren’t happenstances - they are the result of the choice on what they spend their time doing.

I’m not surprised people who spend most of their time exposed to the rage bait that fills social media think the world is falling apart. Especially if you’re not aware that it’s not an accurate or balanced view of reality.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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If you want to sum up the 90s in the UK for people like me who became adults then, it would be the song, "Things can only get better". A little embarrassing, yes? Naive? and yet there really was an optimism then. If things weren't great (and objectively it was a poorer country), they were getting better, and they could get better, and they would. Happiness is more about cake tomorrow than cake today, and in the 90s y…

I too loved that song as a kid, but it's from 1985. It felt like the right song for that era too!

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As an old-timer, the biggest difference between now and the 80s and 90s is that in the 80s and 90s entertainment was relatively scarce. An album cost $20, which was a lot in those days. You could get movies, but you had to go to the video store and remember to return them, and the selection was often limited. If you liked some weird band, most record stores didn't have it. In the 80s TV was very limited and you had t…

Agreed. Though I hated it at the time, in retrospect I am grateful for how often I was bored, growing up in the 80s and 90s. I'm sure I owe my career to it, I started programming computers from a lack of anything else to do.

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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Yeah it was great if you weren't gay.

Infant mortality was also 1.5x higher in the US than it is today. (Depending on who we mean by "we", this difference can be much larger.) Cystic fibrosis was a death sentence. "Late 90's" barely includes the development of effective AIDS treatment, though certainly not the rollout. (Maybe part of what you were getting at above, besides gay marriage.) Etc etc.

Mainly the AIDS stuff

Re: We (As a Society) Peaked in the 90s

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I think about this issue a lot too, and while I think everyone calling out that these feelings are cyclical, and choosing a decade of that persons own life means that it's just nostalgia has validity, but I also think that, there is probably truth to the idea that our cultural peak is behind us. Some Cultural historians would probably put it some time in the 17 and 1800's when we were building cathedrals and making classical music.

I've become something of a cultural conservative, thinking that most significant cultural lessons, the ways to live the good life can be learned by looking behind us.

There are probably multiple peaks though, and I think a peak in the late 20th century is one of them. I think the 20th century in and of itself will probably always be considered a peak, or significant and the reason is the invention of the motion picture and the way motion picture technology evolved over those 100 years. Our image of ourself as a society will never have quite the evolution you get from having like low fps black and white imagery early in the 20th century, to basically 4k sci-fi like the Matrix in 1999.

But I think the like Stranger Things running around on bicycles, getting to experience the birth of modern technology, sort of a combination of maximal freedom and maximal aesthetic experience, shared cultural touchstones and while not yet introducing social media and post-9/11 anxiety is a signifcant cultural peak.

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