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Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#41
post #5

it is difficult to comprehend for me that soneone spends all this time thinking through and calculating how to harness as much energy as possible and then wants to use it for large language models instead of something useful, like food production, communication, transport or any other way of satisfying actual human material needs. what weird priorities.

the saying goes something like: the brightest minds in the world are getting together to figure out how to deliver more ads

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#42
post #5

it is difficult to comprehend for me that soneone spends all this time thinking through and calculating how to harness as much energy as possible and then wants to use it for large language models instead of something useful, like food production, communication, transport or any other way of satisfying actual human material needs. what weird priorities.

Whether you like it or not, we are burning a lot of electricity on datacenters. That is a fact. And energy consumption is likely going to significantly increase in the near future. If we can reduce that energy usage, that is a good thing and a big improvement. I do not think I even understand your complaint. Different people can work on different problems. We do not have to pick only one. > My improvement is more imp…

Reducing consumption is just a case of using A) smaller models and B) not shoving AI into everything, e.g. ads, search results, email summaries

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#43

Why are we wasting resources on toy chatbots?

Borrowing state money that ultimately indentures a country with over-engineered massive boondoggle projects. That regulatory capture con strangled more emerging economies than most like to admit. =3 "The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics" (Bruce Bueno de Mesquita, Alastair Smith)

>Borrowing state money that ultimately indentures a country with over-engineered massive boondoggle projects.

The datacenters of Meta, Google, Amazon, etc. are primarily funded by the government?

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#44
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a physician, but wouldn't space be terrible for heat dissipation?

Also not a rocket surgeon, but to my understanding, modern satellites already have solar panels and radiators that account for the system's overall energy absorption and dissipation in low Earth orbit [1]. Therefore, plugging a supercomputer into the solar array instead of another instrument would likely not affect the overall heat profile meaningfully. Most energy in LEO is ultimately derived from solar irradiance a…

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Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#45
post #2

Slightly OT, but I see the Chinese are talking about space DCs now too which would suggest they reckon it could work too. (Unlike me and others here)

I think it's more of a classic mirror move where IF they do work, they're at danger of falling behind.

Falling behind? No, they're shadowing us, waiting until we make a mistake.

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#46
post #2

Slightly OT, but I see the Chinese are talking about space DCs now too which would suggest they reckon it could work too. (Unlike me and others here)

It can't work if you're launching from Earth. Datacenters are too heavy with or without the solar and radiator panels.

If you could make those panels and chips on the Moon, Deimos, Mars, high Jupiter, wherever, then space datacenters can totally work.

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#47
post #5

it is difficult to comprehend for me that soneone spends all this time thinking through and calculating how to harness as much energy as possible and then wants to use it for large language models instead of something useful, like food production, communication, transport or any other way of satisfying actual human material needs. what weird priorities.

>instead of something useful, like food production, communication, transport or any other way of satisfying actual human material needs. what weird priorities.

You realize that even pre-AI, that this complaint would still hold for most of tech? Adtech, enterprise SaaS, and B2C apps are hardly "actual human material needs". Even excluding tech, the next lucrative sector would be banking, and same complaint would be applicable. In other words, this is a decades (centuries?) old complaint, repackaged for the current thing.

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#48
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Borrowing state money that ultimately indentures a country with over-engineered massive boondoggle projects. That regulatory capture con strangled more emerging economies than most like to admit. =3 "The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics" (Bruce Bueno de Mesquita, Alastair Smith)

>Borrowing state money that ultimately indentures a country with over-engineered massive boondoggle projects. The datacenters of Meta, Google, Amazon, etc. are primarily funded by the government?

Do they get tax breaks, subsidy, loan deals, and naive non-voting investor money?

My point was these folks never gamble with their own cash from revenue. It is always the tax payer that ends up holding the gamblers debts. =3

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#49
post #19

Why are we wasting resources on toy chatbots?

If you think this is what LLMs are, then you are a bit behind the times. Opus 4.5 is a huge step up. The previous generation was good for starting basic hobby projects, now we can do pretty big time-consuming changes with it. I have been extremely skeptical and dismissive of LLMs for a long time, but after a certain level of improvement you have to realize that at least for programming the advantages are substantial.

Okay, that's great. LLMs offer no benefit though.

Re: Direct Current Data Centers

#50
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think this is what LLMs are, then you are a bit behind the times. Opus 4.5 is a huge step up. The previous generation was good for starting basic hobby projects, now we can do pretty big time-consuming changes with it. I have been extremely skeptical and dismissive of LLMs for a long time, but after a certain level of improvement you have to realize that at least for programming the advantages are substantial.

Okay, that's great. LLMs offer no benefit though.

Ok, let's take it this way:

What evidence could convince you there is some benefit?

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