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Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#41

Is a Kindle usable without an Amazon account ?

I use my DX exclusively for reading scientific papers and stuff from Project Gutenberg, I just connect it over USB and copy PDFs/epubs/txt/html on there and everything works just fine.

So yes, it works just fine without an Amazon account. Granted I bought mine without any expectation to buy ebooks, so I can imagine this being unsatisfying for people the expect to actually purchase DRM books...

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#42

I have a Kindle but I don't want to have to do with Amazon. What is the best open firmware so far I can flash into it? I'd like to retain ability to send documents from my computer to my Kindle over the internet.

I have a Kindle (wi-fi, w/ keyboard so 3rd gen, I think) for a little over two years, read tons on it, use the wireless delivery for Instapaper and such-like and have never bought an e-book from Amazon.

Managing side-loaded content is quite simple with Calibre, but if you don't want to muck around too much with software, you can also just drag and drop books onto the Kindle as a mass storage device (but you would have to take care that they're in 'acceptable' formats..)

What else are you trying to do that would require custom firmware?

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That's very frightening, makes me reconsider buying more e-books from Amazon...

It's important to note that you don't actually buy e-books from Amazon, you license the right to read, and when that license is revoked/cancelled, those books are no longer available to you.

Makes me wonder. What happens if you just don't connect your kindle to the net? I have a wifi only kindle which I never connect to the internet because I don't have a wifi connection anymore so I usually keep a local repository of my ebooks which I just drop on my kindle when I want to read them. Is the DRM contained in the azw and mobi files eventually going to stop me from opening them unless I connect to a wireless network?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important to note that you don't actually buy e-books from Amazon, you license the right to read, and when that license is revoked/cancelled, those books are no longer available to you.

I wonder if some large organisation (EU?) could force a change in this idea? It does seem like an end-run around so much in the way of consumer rights.

EU seems likely, the European Court of Justice recently ruled that customers have the right to resale on licensed Steam games. The reasoning was basically that a perpetual license equals ownership, and that normal ownership right cannot be limited by the license after the transaction.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publis...

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#49
post #2

That's very frightening, makes me reconsider buying more e-books from Amazon...

It's important to note that you don't actually buy e-books from Amazon, you license the right to read, and when that license is revoked/cancelled, those books are no longer available to you.

I guess I never really considered that. Under what terms might that license be revoked/cancelled? It appears Amazon also lets you "rent" e-books for a certain amount of time. I suspect most people would assume that the high cost alternative to "renting" would be "buy to own". Especially considering the fact that the Kindle books typically cost the same (occasionally even a little bit more) than the physical books.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

#50

I own 2 kindles. Got one more for Mum also. I need to get my books out ASAP. Somehow, feel very cheated. Nobody can walk into your house and take away your paperbook. This is theft! And then the arrogance of no explanations.

You did read the Terms and Conditions before you "bought" the books, didn't you?

If you bought the books, you agreed [in the eyes of the law] to this kind of eventuality..

I'm as guilty of this kind of thing as well. We tend to assume an imaginary T&C that conforms to we think is fair when we buy things online - and we have to learn the hard way that the real T&C's are very much more dubious.

Here's the relevant bit in the T&C's:

"Upon your download of Digital Content and payment of any applicable fees (including applicable taxes), the Content Provider grants you a non-exclusive right to view, use, and display such Digital Content an unlimited number of times"

"Your rights under this Agreement will automatically terminate if you fail to comply with any term of this Agreement."

The key points is that this is a "license agreement" that grants you rights on the payment of applicable fees.

TL;DR: You don't own any content you licensed to read on your kindle.

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