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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by danso » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 2:54 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #17

danso wrote: post #15

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How many times do you believe immigration agents showed up door to door with riot gear and rifles back then? When it was caught on camera during the Clinton administration it was one of the most polarizing images of his presidency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1n_Gonz%C3%A1lez

That one was controversial not because it was the deportation of an illegal alien rather there were custody issues (abduction accusations) as well as the complication of persecution in the home country —in other words there were multiple issues complicating the deportation. Was he a political prisoner, was he abducted to the US?

When the Miami Herald won 2 Pulitzers for its coverage of the incident, do you think it was because people were highly interested in the international custody issues? I’d argue that people were more piqued at why 100+ armed immigration agents needed to raid a family’s home

https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-48

https://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/dramatic-photo-of...

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by mothballed » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 2:57 PM UTC

SetTheorist wrote: post #33

bartholemew1 wrote: post #13

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Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…

You are explicitly saying that you feel more in common with Taliban or Tren De Aragua than with someone who wishes to exercise their Constitutionally protected right to peacefully protest against unlawful actions by agents of the government? Also, I am confused why you think that allegedly spitting and/or kicking out lights is a justification for execution.

I understand what they mean.

Taliban, the people at the top are acting in a calculated and rational manner. That is why the US overthrew the Taliban to be replaced by the Taliban. They're not morons, and they are not impulsive at least at a high level. They are cold and calculated and know how to use calculated violence and appeal to the populace. You may dislike this is the case but with Taliban I feel this is indisputable, despite numerous tactical blunders on their end.

Pretti looked more like a raging lunatic. He knew CBP/ICE were homicidal maniacs and the slightest thing will set them off. He knew that acting like that will be interpreted by them as a 'shot at the King.' His actions looked impulsive and ultimately threw his life away getting very little for what he traded. And he basically submitted his head for execution after letting himself be disarmed, and I'm left wondering -- what was the point?

No one wants to be like the guy swinging at tail lights and spitting like a toddler with a cosmetic accessory gun tucked in their waistband which they then surrendered and offered their head for execution -- and for what?

Malcom X and MLK both had their followings. People like Pretti, never will.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by lynndotpy » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 2:58 PM UTC

bartholemew1 wrote: post #8

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This is very clearly a loaded question and not a good faith one. You are using the format of a question to express a rhetorical position. You can't just tack on "this is an honest question".

Your premise is incorrect. ICE's conduct is illegal, they are executing people in the streets and deporting US citizens. This is against the law. The majority of US citizens did not vote for Trumpin in 2024, and federal elections do not explicitly involve a vote on policy.

Further, people who are 30 now were 15 in 2010.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by eviks » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 3:06 PM UTC

bartholemew1 wrote: post #13

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #9

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That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.

Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…

> What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop?

Maybe an order by another agent to drive off? But also, it's not hard to see why you can't understand it - because none of the questions are based in reality, all the descriptions are false/twisted, it's like "I don't understand why the fans of that team that lost celebrate the win" when in reality the team won, that's why, easy to understand

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 3:07 PM UTC

bartholemew1 wrote: post #13

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.

Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…

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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by dyauspitr » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 3:09 PM UTC

bartholemew1 wrote: post #8

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How often did ICE violate the 4th Amendment under Obama? How many court orders did they ignore? How many people were deported without due process?

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by ratelimitsteve » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 3:10 PM UTC

bartholemew1 wrote: post #8

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I wasn't outraged until ICE kidnapped two US citizens at gunpoint from their jobs at target, refused to verify citizenship, dragged them away in unmarked vans, beat the shit out of them and dumped them in the snow.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 3:13 PM UTC

mothballed wrote: post #42

SetTheorist wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are explicitly saying that you feel more in common with Taliban or Tren De Aragua than with someone who wishes to exercise their Constitutionally protected right to peacefully protest against unlawful actions by agents of the government? Also, I am confused why you think that allegedly spitting and/or kicking out lights is a justification for execution.

I understand what they mean. Taliban, the people at the top are acting in a calculated and rational manner. That is why the US overthrew the Taliban to be replaced by the Taliban. They're not morons, and they are not impulsive at least at a high level. They are cold and calculated and know how to use calculated violence and appeal to the populace. You may dislike this is the case but with Taliban I feel this is indis…

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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by Amezarak » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 3:15 PM UTC

dyauspitr wrote: post #46

bartholemew1 wrote: post #8

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How often did ICE violate the 4th Amendment under Obama? How many court orders did they ignore? How many people were deported without due process?

Obama actually pioneered non-judicial deportations. Under his administration, 75% of removals took place without the established immigration hearing process.

Many (most?) ICE deportations taking place today are after "due process" "judicial" hearings, that is, a final order of removal being issued by an immigration "judge." This is generally ignored by news reporting.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...

The news does not contextualize what is going on. Indeed, you can safely strike the word "unprecendented" from almost all journalism. But it's not only a problem with this story, but most stories. Selective outrage is applied based on the cause and enemy du jour. You are honestly better off not watching the news unless you are willing to do extensive deep dives on a topic, because regardless of your party affiliation or personal feelings or what outlet you subscribe to you are being fed a line of propagandistic BS.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by computerthings » Fri, Jan 30, 2026, 3:16 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #40

SetTheorist wrote: post #34

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It is absolutely not the case that 60% of the population wants all non-citizens deported. On what do you base your claim?

Probably based on Trump winning the last presidential election. Which doesnt tell us if thats the only reason they voted for him or the primary, but some people just generalize every vote as such.

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