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Although: "An exception will be made for LLM-assisted translations if you are having trouble accurately conveying your intent in English."
I am quite obviously blind, but I still stand by my sentiment. I would rather have a "bad" but honest PR body than a machine translated one where the author isn't sure about what it says. How will you know if what it says is what you meant?
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I’m glad they have a carve out for using LLMs to translate to, or fix up English communications. LLMs are a great accessibility tool that is making open source development truly global. Translation and grammar fix up is something LLMs are very, very good at! But that is translation, not “please generate a pull request message for these changes.”
Better to use Google Translate for this than ChatGPT. Either ChatGPT massively changes the text and slopifies it, or people are lying about using it for translation only because the outputs are horrendous. Google Translate won't fluff out the output with garbage or reformat everything with emoji.
Using Google Translate probably means you're using a language model in the end anyways behind the scenes. Initially, the Transformer was researched and published as an improvement for machine translation, which eventually led to LLMs. Using them for translation is pretty much exactly what they excel at :)
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I’m glad they have a carve out for using LLMs to translate to, or fix up English communications. LLMs are a great accessibility tool that is making open source development truly global. Translation and grammar fix up is something LLMs are very, very good at! But that is translation, not “please generate a pull request message for these changes.”
Better to use Google Translate for this than ChatGPT. Either ChatGPT massively changes the text and slopifies it, or people are lying about using it for translation only because the outputs are horrendous. Google Translate won't fluff out the output with garbage or reformat everything with emoji.
I've done this kind of thing, even if I think it's likely they speak English. (I speak zero Japanese here.) It's just polite and you never know who's going to be reading it first.
> Google翻訳を使用しました。問題が発生した場合はお詫び申し上げます。貴社のウェブサイトにコンピュータセキュリティ上の問題が見つかりました。詳細は下記をご覧ください。ありがとうございます。
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No, I think GP means grammar fixes to your own communication. For example if I don't speak Japanese very well and I want to write to you in Japanese, I might write you a message in Japanese, then ask an LLM to fix up my grammar and check my writing to make sure I'm not sounding like a complete idiot.
I have read a lot of bad grammar from people who aren't very good at the language but are trying their best. It's fine. Just try to express yourself clearly and we figure it out. I have read text where people who aren't very good at the language try to "fix it up" by feeding it through a chat bot. It's horrible. It's incredibly obvious that they didn't write the text, the tone is totally off, it's full of obnoxious C…
If you think that every language level is always sufficient for every task (a fluency truther?), then you should agree that somebody who writes an email in a language that they are not confident in, puts it through an LLM, and decides the results better explain the idea they were trying to convey than they had managed to do is always correct in that assessment. Why are you second guessing them and indirectly criticizing their language skills?
I think at some point we will need a "PEP-8" for LLM / AI code contributions document that is universally reusable and adoptable per project, call it an "Agent Policy" or what have you, that any agent worth its Salt should read before touching a codebase and warn the user that their contributions might not be accepted or what have you, depending on project policy, just like we have GPL, BSD, MIT, etc it would probabl…
Are you talking about some agent that is specific for writing FOSS code or something? Otherwise I don't see why we'd want all agents to act like this.
As always, it's the responsibility of the contributor to understand both the code base and contributing process, before they attempt to contribute. If they don't, then you might receive push-back, or have your contribution deleted, and that's pretty much expected, as you're essentially spamming if you don't understand what you're trying to "help".
That someone understands this before contributing, is part of understanding how FOSS works when it's about collaborating on projects. Some projects have very strict guidelines, others very lax, and it's up to you to figure out what exactly they expect from contributors.
Sort of related, Plex doesn't have a desktop music app, and the PlexAmp iOS app is good but meh. So I spent the weekend vibe coding my own Plex music apps (macOS and iOs), and I have been absolutely blown away at what I was able to make. I'm sure code quality is terrible, and I'm not sure if a human would be able to jump in there and do anything, but they are already the apps I'm using day-to-day for music.
> LLM output is expressly prohibited for any direct communication I would like to see this more. As a heavy user of LLMs I still write 100% of my own communication. Do not send me something an LLM wrote, if I wanted to read LLM outputs, I would ask an LLM.
like in that joke with the mechanic which demands $100 for hitting the car once with his wrench
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I have read a lot of bad grammar from people who aren't very good at the language but are trying their best. It's fine. Just try to express yourself clearly and we figure it out. I have read text where people who aren't very good at the language try to "fix it up" by feeding it through a chat bot. It's horrible. It's incredibly obvious that they didn't write the text, the tone is totally off, it's full of obnoxious C…
You seem to be judging business communications by weird middle-class aesthetics while the people writing the emails are just trying to be clear. If you think that every language level is always sufficient for every task (a fluency truther?), then you should agree that somebody who writes an email in a language that they are not confident in, puts it through an LLM, and decides the results better explain the idea they…
I have no idea what you're talking about with regard to being a "fluency truther", I think you're putting words into my mouth.
That said I understand calling it out specifically. I like how they wrote this.
Related:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46313297
> https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/18/code-proven-to-work/
> Your job is to deliver code you have proven to work
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I’m glad they have a carve out for using LLMs to translate to, or fix up English communications. LLMs are a great accessibility tool that is making open source development truly global. Translation and grammar fix up is something LLMs are very, very good at! But that is translation, not “please generate a pull request message for these changes.”
Better to use Google Translate for this than ChatGPT. Either ChatGPT massively changes the text and slopifies it, or people are lying about using it for translation only because the outputs are horrendous. Google Translate won't fluff out the output with garbage or reformat everything with emoji.