I’m curious if it’s possible to somehow retrieve the whitelist to see who’s on it?
Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only
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#42No shot. The economy is already in the gutter. The productivity hit of a total internet cutoff would be a death sentence
North Korea unfortunately has given them a path forward. If you're willing to murder your own citizens en masse, you can get away with about anything.
Yes, just start small
Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only
#43Do they have something like intranet with some local services, like in DPRK&Cuba? is this the case of completely losing connection and devices practically bricked for anything other than displaying the time?
We do. It's not very good. As in, there isn't even a properly functioning domestic search engine that can match the quality of anything past AltaVista. The only local platforms worth a damn are the ones you'd be using anyway. (the local equivalents to Uber, Maps etc.) All other platforms (instant messengers, social media, news) are massively unpopular for being horrid to use at best, and government spyware at worst.…
for someone with a tech background, how hard is it to setup your own tunnel? I'd assume cloud providers are whitelisted due to economic reasons?
Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only
#44It actually surprised me that they didn't do it before. China already achieved this in 2010s.
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Pass on some of the worst analysis of Iran I've ever read...it's up there with Chomsky on Cambodia on the level of delusion just because 'US bad' or whatever biases the thinking.
Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only
#46It actually surprised me that they didn't do it before. China already achieved this in 2010s.
Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs
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#47No shot. The economy is already in the gutter. The productivity hit of a total internet cutoff would be a death sentence
That assumes the regime cares more about the economic prosperity of their people than about staying in power. So far they seem to care more about power. North Korea provides a model for how terrible the situation can get for every day people in that sort of arrangement.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
We do. It's not very good. As in, there isn't even a properly functioning domestic search engine that can match the quality of anything past AltaVista. The only local platforms worth a damn are the ones you'd be using anyway. (the local equivalents to Uber, Maps etc.) All other platforms (instant messengers, social media, news) are massively unpopular for being horrid to use at best, and government spyware at worst.…
for someone with a tech background, how hard is it to setup your own tunnel? I'd assume cloud providers are whitelisted due to economic reasons?
Lol. That was _before_ these new restrictions. And don't assume that you could setup a simple wireguard server and be done with it. No, it had to be a proper low fingerprint method (e.g., you had to hide the tls-in-tls timing pattern and do traffic shaping). Now, something like dnstt sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. You may be able to open gmail in 10 minutes if it does, and you explicitly have to block the fonts.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean... EU already blocks eg. some russian sites (some countries more effectively than others)... plus all the chat control pressures every year. Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. But every such country likes pointing fingers at others, "hey, our censorship is not bad, they have more of it!". edit: considering the downvotes, HN is n…
Yeah, you're right. It's totally fair to compare how the EU treats its people to how Iran is treating its people right now. Good job. :-/
it's a very weird kind of propaganda I see a lot of lately.
Everything is the same and comparable never mind how hyperbolic. Doubt it? be showered with cherry picked micro facts that on the surface are similar.
This rests on the fact that in order to establish a big picture you have to take small facts and agree on the big picture, and that leap from small and verifiable to large and analytic is the place you can inject faith and emotion
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
That assumes the regime cares more about the economic prosperity of their people than about staying in power. So far they seem to care more about power. North Korea provides a model for how terrible the situation can get for every day people in that sort of arrangement.
You can only let that go so far, because at the end of the day you need to pay the military to keep you in power.
In the long run we're all dead. In the meantime, NK is still standing.