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Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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My first pass through the title was "Those windshield wipers shouldn't need to be internet-connected."

Thankfully, the article did clear that up, but the fact that my brain didn't even think, "that's a stupid idea that no one would buy that" is a bit depressing.

Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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I was not speaking to just one case. Today's incident, is _the norm_. These attacks are widespread, damaging, and the repercussions are felt for decades in their wake. We _are_ being carpet bombed, and the costs for the victims are ongoing and growing. The collateral damage is everywhere. Do you really think there's no impact? > Cyber units from at least one nation state routinely try to explore and exploit Australia…

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'I appreciate that these scammers are just stealing old people's money online instead of killing them and taking it'!

Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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Russia is at war with Europe.

before anyone jumps on the pedantry bandwagon, its worth noting that even though open war hasn’t been called: the attacks on infrastructure especially cyber warfare is extremely active and, crucially, direct. It is totally fair to say that in a digital context, Russia is absolutely at war with Europe. As far as I can tell, they don’t even try to hide it.

The cold war never ended

Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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Then you're missing the point. If they succeed they may well not be reversible. The question is if this had succeeded would we have shrugged it off again or responded appropriately?

Can you give some examples of? I can imagine that under the right circumstances you might succeed in blowing up some transformers or even a turbine, but it seems like you’d be up to speed within a month or two on the outside? Or am I missing the gravity somehow?

Transformers and turbines of any significance are not off the shelf parts and can have lead times of years

Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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Does Europe overall feel and act like that’s the case though? It seems as if the European war has been pushed to the background recently, and most people kind of forgot about it. If you walk down the streets of Paris or Berlin does it look like it’s wartime, do people talk about it much, do they share the latest front news and so on?

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It wasn't Iran that bombed Afghanistan, Libya, and Iraq[0]. Gadaffi warned that Libya was the only thing stopping most migrants reaching Europe.

[0] at least recently

Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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have you seen the competence in those who manage the infrastructure? i'd say i would need significant proof before assuming anything. And IF russia is doing it, I would still say that we should put 99% blame on the absolute incompetents running the infrastructure, 1% russia.

That seems like just victim blaming - "she was asking for it with the clothes she was wearing".

Software with vulnerabilities was defectively written.

If someone makes tanks with paper for armour, because it cuts costs, they are to blame if those tanks catch fire.

Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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Can you give some examples of? I can imagine that under the right circumstances you might succeed in blowing up some transformers or even a turbine, but it seems like you’d be up to speed within a month or two on the outside? Or am I missing the gravity somehow?

Transformers and turbines of any significance are not off the shelf parts and can have lead times of years

How do they not have backups??

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Not to mention the information war they have been waging globally since 2016

True, but they’ve certainly been doing it much longer than ten years. I’ll never forget this headline [0] that struck me as purely devilish, especially in the lead up to the 2016 presidential election. Combine that with the knowledge that Trump has been anti-NATO since the 1980s [1]. Who knows how long Russia has been nudging him along. Who knows how many avenues they traverse? Take for example the letter to Senator…

You don’t remember Trump Moscow? Ivanka? Trump and Russian connections go all the way back to Epstein’s early days.

Re: Poland's energy grid was targeted by never-before-seen wiper malware

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Transformers and turbines of any significance are not off the shelf parts and can have lead times of years

How do they not have backups??

Enough for the entire grid? There are some amount of reserves on hand (eg drunk runs into a telephone pole), but nothing that could replace a targeted attack with the explicit goal of taking out the most vital infrastructure.
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