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Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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As Lt. Commander Worf would say, "We shall see".

Oddly enough, this is probably the only reasonable response. Of course, you don't get clicks by saying, "let's wait and see." You have to go out, pants off, hopping on a table and shouting, "Windows 8 can't win!" So, that's what people will write. With Windows 8, I think we'll probably see more mild annoyance as folks buy new PCs for their homes. After two weeks, they'll likely get used to it, then we'll never hear a…

Yeah, the big change will be that there won't be a big change: the Windows PC market will continue on its slow decline, with Apple eating a slowly increasing share of Microsoft's lunch and profits. Windows RT, and the Surface RT will do slightly, but only slightly better than all of Microsoft's previous tablets. (Why Gates killed the Courier project is still beyond me). Window Phone 8 will do slightly better than Windows Phone 7, but in a few years will be about as obscure.

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The tech savvy Android users? They would be the last people to switch to WP. That thing does not have a viable way to run unsigned applications. No proper multitasking, no proper notifications. What exactly about WP is supposed to attract tech savvy users?

Tech savvy user WP user here. I just bought a lumia 800 for very little cash over a galaxy s2. Why? It's actually less clunky than stock android or touchwiz. I haven't found a use for multitasking on the phone yet. Notifications are fine - I have no idea what you are talking about. The lumia is actually to be as blunt as possible, fucking marvellous. I doubt you've used one.

How is it "less clunky" than stock Android?

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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The tech savvy Android users? They would be the last people to switch to WP. That thing does not have a viable way to run unsigned applications. No proper multitasking, no proper notifications. What exactly about WP is supposed to attract tech savvy users?

I would be delighted if you were to describe the proper multi-tasking in Android. I thought we had something called activities .

I assume (s)he's referring to Services.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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The WP7 was a flop indeed. They launched it almost without any backup. With the W8 product line however, they rebranded everything, creating an unitary brand image, much like Apple did a while ago. And that's why I did the Android statement. They provide to all the predominantly tech savvy users of Android an unified experience that is not Cupertino flavored.

The tech savvy Android users? They would be the last people to switch to WP. That thing does not have a viable way to run unsigned applications. No proper multitasking, no proper notifications. What exactly about WP is supposed to attract tech savvy users?

I bought a galaxy s2 for all of those tech-savvy reasons, to find out that one year later I don't actually use any unsigned apps and don't want to run down my battery with multitasking.

My wife got a lumia 710, and in many ways it's a better phone than my s2, the quality of the software is noticeably better (even of the 3rd party apps). My next phone is probably going to be a lumia.

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Definitely. Windows 8 runs as Windows 8 and as Windows 8 RT. However, there's also WinRT which is something else: WinRT == Windows Runtime http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Runtime "Not to be confused with Windows RT" Now "Windows RT (formerly known as Windows on ARM) is an upcoming version of the Windows 8 operating system for ARM devices such as tablets. The RT acronym does not officially stand for anything.[1]…

Windows 8 is a desktop/laptop/tablet OS aimed at home users Windows 8 Pro is a desktop/laptop/tablet OS aimed at businesses/power users Windows 8 Enterprise is a desktop/laptop/tablet OS aimed at large businesses (only available via volume license) Windows RT is a tablet only OS aimed at the iPad/Android market (and can only be delivered via an OEM on a device) Like the iPad and Android it can only run apps available…

Thanks. Only after reading your response I understood.

Microsoft developed the Windows version for ARM. But then some big shot in Microsoft decided:

"No, you can't mention ARM in any name, we absolutely don't want to mention ARM anywhere in our propaganda or any other material. Our customers should not be aware that this thing like ARM processors exist. Intel promised to make something like ARM in just a year or two. Or we're going to make something. Or whatever, we just don't want to mention ARM. Verboten."

Underling1: "Oooh, how are we going to refer to the darn thing now?"

Underling2: "I know let's reuse the name that these developers use for the thing they produce, this WinRT thing. We'll call it Windows RT"

All together: "Bravo!"

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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I sat in on a MS presentation the other day, and it was a disaster. The terminology is off the chart confusing, the presenter constantly dropping terms then backing off with "oh but we aren't supposed to call it that" and then "oh but if marketing isn't listening i'll just call it that" ... back and forth. It took forever just to explain metro (not metro) and windows RT (not metro but metro) and windows pro (with met…

MS's propensity to attempt to create new buzzwords and terminology, though one of the least consequential functionally, is probably one of my biggest turn-offs with them. I'm a straight-shooter and prefer to be communicated with in the same way. It's like they're playing a psychological game, trying to get your mind to play something up better than it actually is....simply because it has a new and novel name.

Just call it what it is already, damnit. If you so happen to invent something new -- then by all means, call it what you want -- but please quit taking old ideas and applying the old web 2.0 naming convention everywhere.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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The German company 'Metro' is not exactly small.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_AG

It has 66 billion Euro revenue and 250000 employees. It's the fifth largest retailer in the world.

Kind of unlikely that they give up their trademark name or sell it to Microsoft. It's not worth fighting for. Especially since Metro sells Microsoft products.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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My bet is that small, cheap and really good 7" tablets will all but kill MS in the consumer sphere next year. Fair or not (the Nexus 7 looks great), Apple's going to popularize the form factor, and it's going to change people's expectations. A lot more people can afford a $200 - 300 tablet as a Christmas present than a $500 one. Women will find them more purse-friendly and way more parents can afford them for their kids, which is going to tilt developers even further from Windows.

MS won't be able to change their software or their business model fast enough to compete with ubiquitous $200 computers.

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Tech savvy user WP user here. I just bought a lumia 800 for very little cash over a galaxy s2. Why? It's actually less clunky than stock android or touchwiz. I haven't found a use for multitasking on the phone yet. Notifications are fine - I have no idea what you are talking about. The lumia is actually to be as blunt as possible, fucking marvellous. I doubt you've used one.

How is it "less clunky" than stock Android?

Its more consistent, responds instantly to everything, 100% intuitive, never requires reference to a manual, silky smooth and everything was blatantly obvious, configuration was beyond easy for everything and everything works flawlessly straight away.

I spent 2 days with a loaned galaxy s2 first and it had none of the above. It was slow, clunky and inconsistent and pretty damn hard to get it to sync with my pc. It also lost outgoing emails when plugged into exchange.

The three other people I've shown it to (android users) remarked at how it is quite better than the diatribe against it and they found it intuitive.

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