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House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

colechristensen wrote: post #15
SoftTalker wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of this is over-the-top paranoia. If ICE wants to get into your car, they'll just break the window. It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. It's something you are permitted to do under the terms of a license, and it's fairly regulated (though not as much as in some other countries).

>It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. It's something you are permitted to do under the terms of a license, and it's fairly regulated (though not as much as in some other countries). Sure you do, in private nobody can be prevented. You need a license and insurance to drive on public roads.

I find this a very odd and non compelling argument

Just now many people have a) private land and b) private land in sufficient quantity and state that you can actually drive a car on it?

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by bluGill »

scotty79 wrote: post #35
psunavy03 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, the Viet Cong, Mao, and George Washington. Just because the government has tanks does not mean "we have tanks and nukes, therefore we'll win" has proven true across military history.

Tell your history lesson to a Reaper drone. You can see how modern version of people's insurgency could look like in modern Gaza. This is exactly how would citizens vs. US play out. With Palantir painting the targets on the appropriate backs and declaring anyone in the blast radius as domestic terrorist.

What makes you think the army will go along with it? Sure some will, but expect many soldiers will rebel.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by quantumfissure »

SilverElfin wrote: post #25
unstyledcontent wrote: post #3

Here in Minneapolis, there have been multiple anecdotal reports of ICE being able to remotely unlock cars, disable them, and even open windows. Whether its true, its certainly seems possible. Its made me very concerned about public safety if we allow our government to have this power. I actually believe being able to own and use a vehicle freely should be protected under the 2nd amendment. Im picturing a world where…

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Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by bluGill »

iamnothere wrote: post #8
lapetitejort wrote: post #4

Bicycles do not have software to install a kill switch. They do not have license plates to be read by surveillance cameras. They do not require costly insurance to legally ride. They are not powered by fossil fuels. Buy a bike. Learn to maintain it. Advocate for safe biking infrastructure in your area.

Sure, buy a bike. AND buy an older (but maintainable) vehicle for hauling, transporting multiple people, and traveling long distances. It’s not either or.

I had such an older vehicle until a couple weeks ago when the fuel tank supports rusted to the point the tank wasn't supported. There was just more maintenance needed than I had time to do - it would cost about what I paid for a modern 3 year old vehicle just to get it running and who knows what it will need next year from parts I wouldn't replace. (the new car is also electric so much cheaper to drive, though it doesn't have the capacity of the 1 ton truck it replaced so I'm stuck when I need that)

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by stonogo »

thangalin wrote: post #19
alistairSH wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beg to differ, they're viable for basically all local use cases... Groceries? Yep. School? Yep. Commuting? Yep. Etc. They aren't viable for hauling multi-ton loads, or covering long distances, that's about it.

> that's about it. Avid cyclist here. * Extreme Weather: Severe heat, heavy snow, or torrential rain can make biking unsafe or impractical without specialized gear and high physical endurance. * Accessibility & Mobility Issues: Individuals with certain physical disabilities or chronic health conditions may find traditional cycling impossible. (This also affects an aging population.) * Time Constraints: For those with…

Severe heat, heavy snow, or torrential rain can make driving a car unsafe as well. Individuals with certain disabilities, chronic health conditions, or a plethora of age may also find driving impossible. For those with "trip-chaining" needs, extra time required for parking cars can be prohibitive. Old people don't like traffic and can escape and run away so fast you have to drive them back? And you're seriously including the idea that car theft is not a concern? These are some tortured arguments.

The correct argument here is "if bicycles become the dominant transportation mode, then the government will absolutely mandate kill switches for them too." "Bicycles don't have software" hasn't been true for years. E-bikes and wireless deraillers have been around a long time.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by bluGill »

seattle_spring wrote: post #37
wincy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, I live in what most people would call peak Suburbia and have all sorts of bike trails I didn’t even know existed until I got the electric assisted bike, I can range 5 miles away from my house in any direction without having to be on any major roads, and have a trailer for doing grocery shopping. I went 15 miles away and back one time but took quite awhile. All the grocery stores I frequent are within this ra…

Your situation is very much the exception and not the norm in most of the US, suburban or not.

The exception is that he uses those bike lanes for shopping, not just exercise. Every suburb has plenty of great biking space (the streets are not busy!), but nobody thinks to try to use them that way.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by davorak »

SoftTalker wrote: post #6
unstyledcontent wrote: post #3

Here in Minneapolis, there have been multiple anecdotal reports of ICE being able to remotely unlock cars, disable them, and even open windows. Whether its true, its certainly seems possible. Its made me very concerned about public safety if we allow our government to have this power. I actually believe being able to own and use a vehicle freely should be protected under the 2nd amendment. Im picturing a world where…

Some of this is over-the-top paranoia. If ICE wants to get into your car, they'll just break the window. It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. It's something you are permitted to do under the terms of a license, and it's fairly regulated (though not as much as in some other countries).

> Some of this is over-the-top paranoia. If ICE wants to get into your car, they'll just break the window.

Then when I get to my car I can see the broken window and report it or at least know someone broke into my car. With remote entry law enforcement or ice can get in and out potentially without notice.

Just because police/ice/thieves/etc can break down my door and enter my house does not mean I am on board with giving any of them a key.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by scotty79 »

bluGill wrote: post #42
scotty79 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell your history lesson to a Reaper drone. You can see how modern version of people's insurgency could look like in modern Gaza. This is exactly how would citizens vs. US play out. With Palantir painting the targets on the appropriate backs and declaring anyone in the blast radius as domestic terrorist.

What makes you think the army will go along with it? Sure some will, but expect many soldiers will rebel.

Army goes along with anyone that ensures continual financing of the army. Review history of any putsch ever.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by pjc50 »

shrubble wrote: post #26

So imagine you attend a planned protest at the state capitol. You drive and when within 3 miles your car dies. You can start it again and drive away, turning around and leaving, but if you go further towards the capitol it dies again. The next day the press reports that the planned protest was very sparsely attended.

Do protests have parking?
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