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Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by eikenberry »

swiftcoder wrote: post #11

> Obviously forking go’s crypto library is a little scary, and I’m gonna have to do some thinking about how to maintain my little patch in a safe way This should really be upstreamed as an option on the ssh library. Its good to default to sending chaff in untrusted environments, but there are plenty of places where we might as well save the bandwidth

+1... Given how much SSH is used for computer-to-computer communication it seems like there really should be a way to disable this when it isn't necessary.

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by Terretta »

jcynix wrote: post #31
lloydatkinson wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

smoking gun, you're absolutely right, good question, em dash, "it isn't just foo, it's also bar", real honest truth, brutal truth, underscores the issue, delves into, more em dashes, . It's nauseating.

It's what they read on The Internets when training, so don't expect them to generate new phrases, other than what they learned from it?

### The answer that fits everything (and what to do about it)

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by hinkley »

gf000 wrote: post #30
eieio wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! While this post was written entirely by me, I wouldn't be surprised if I had "smoking gun" ready to go because I spent so much time debugging with Claude last night.

Reminds me of ethimology nerd's videos. He has some content about how LLMs will influence human language.

Some day in the future we will complain about AIs with a 2015 accent because that’s the last training data that wasn’t recursive.

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by f1shy »

redwall_hp wrote: post #26
yread wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT too. And "lines up perfectly" when it doesnt actually line up with anything

"You're so right, that nice catch lines up perfectly!"

You can add an M-dash, and we completed the bs-bingo. :)

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by eikenberry »

dathinab wrote: post #10

> Keystroke obfuscation can be disabled client-side. please never do that (in production) if anyone half way serious tries they _will_ be able to break you encryption end find what you typed this isn't a hypothetical niche case obfuscation mechanism, it's a people broke SSH then a fix was found case. I don't even know why you can disable it tbh.

It is to prevent timing attacks but there are many ssh use cases where it is 100% computer to computer communications where there is no key based timing attack possible.

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by ranger_danger »

gf000 wrote: post #30
eieio wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! While this post was written entirely by me, I wouldn't be surprised if I had "smoking gun" ready to go because I spent so much time debugging with Claude last night.

Reminds me of ethimology nerd's videos. He has some content about how LLMs will influence human language.

shouldn't it be "human language influences human language"?

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by kenmacd »

@eieio: whatever email protection you're running is triggering on the extension info. For example I see:

> And they’re sent to servers that advertise the availability of the [email protected] extension. What if we just…don’t advertise [email protected]?

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by starttoaster »

PaulHoule wrote: post #37

I find it disturbing. One thing you notice if you have ADSL is that some services are built as if slower connections matter and others are not. Like Google's voice and audio chat services work poorly but most of the others work well. Uploading images to Mastodon, Bluesky, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram and Nextdoor is reliable, but for Tumblr you have to try it twice. I don't what they are doing wrong but they are doi…

There's a good chance you have other options. Regardless of how you feel about the company's head, Starlink would probably be one of them, with likely better performance than you're dealing with on ADSL.

But you cannot just sue a company because their network connected software doesn't work well on slow networks. Let alone a project like OpenSSH. It would be like me suing a game studio because my PC doesn't meet their listed minimum requirements to play the game.

Re: Why does SSH send 100 packets per keystroke?

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Post by simonjgreen »

snowmobile wrote: post #2

> That 20ms is a smoking gun - it lines up perfectly with the mysterious pattern we saw earlier! Speaking of smoking guns, anybody else reckon Claude overuses that term a lot? Seems anytime I give it some debugging question, it'll claim some random thing like a version number or whatever, is a "smoking gun"

I see it from GPT5 too a lot
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