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EU Parliament freezes US trade deal ratification

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Re: EU Parliament freezes US trade deal ratification

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Post by csomar »

davedx wrote: post #4
rapsey wrote: post #2

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We're not dependent on their energy. One example: we get 10-12% of our LNG from Qatar. No one power controls all tech or markets. There are American and Chinese tech companies who are dependent on European tech companies (ASML being one of the better known examples). The whole point of globalization is that we're all interdependent on each other. All that being said: Europe has a ton of work to do. The spirit of your…

> One example: we get 10-12% of our LNG from Qatar.

Qatar is a pure American vassal state.

Re: EU Parliament freezes US trade deal ratification

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Post by lifestyleguru »

fakedang wrote: post #26
RandomLensman wrote: post #20

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The US is providing security guarantees to Qatar? When did the Senate vote on those?

Last I checked, Qatar was kicking out US personnel from Al Udeid because of Trump's threats to use it as a forward base against Iran.

Qatar is obviously not happy from Israeli strikes on their territory.

Re: EU Parliament freezes US trade deal ratification

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Post by csomar »

RandomLensman wrote: post #20
rapsey wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is still an energy provider to Europe. Do we provide any security guarantees to Qatar or can protect the shipping lanes? We can not. It is controlled by the US, which is also a major supplier. For every political squeeze EU can do, the US can squeeze 10x as hard. ASML also has quite a lot of US suppliers. We are all tech dependent on each other, but China is working hard to fix that and the US also.

The US is providing security guarantees to Qatar? When did the Senate vote on those?

They have a large military base there and provide arms and training. They do the same for the rest of the Gulf countries except Iran.

Re: EU Parliament freezes US trade deal ratification

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Post by atoav »

rapsey wrote: post #2

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The EU protects its own markets, just like the other global power. You ascribe one-sided emotional intent to something that is a cut and dry centuries old geopolitical practise and is done by every single of the mentioned blocks (and in fact: by literally every country on earth). The EU has the right to regulate what happens within its borders in accordance to international law. Just because the EU is smaller, doesn't mean it has no right to play the same game.

Unless of course it is your world view that the perceived weaker side has to eat it all up and show gratitude afterwards. On a human scale that is like telling the bullied kid to shut up and accept the beatings, not widely considered an ethically sound position.

Re: EU Parliament freezes US trade deal ratification

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Post by docdeek »

inglor_cz wrote: post #17
davedx wrote: post #7

"Carney said this more isolationist approach, where there's a "world of fortresses," will make countries poorer, fragile and less sustainable. But it's coming nonetheless and Canada must work with like-minded allies where possible to push back against domination by larger, wealthier and well-armed countries." New trade relationships are being forged surprisingly quickly in the midst of all this. Anyone have a list of…

Mercosur took 20 years to finalize and if it wasn't for recent unhingedness of American politics, I would expect it to get vetoed by special farmer interests in the last minute. But the threat became too big for that. But yeah, there will be some urgency now. In times of need, people find out that all the "necessary" bureaucracy isn't really that necessary. War or threat of war is the only thing stronger than red tap…

Special farmer interests are about 25% of the entire EU budget (https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20211118STO...).

There are still farmer protests here in France every day against this deal. There will be a lot of pressure on French MEPs to vote against it when it goes to the EP for the final vote.

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Post by sschueller »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #30
sschueller wrote: post #25

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Exactly, just see the gal of garbage spewed by for example Scott Bessent at the WEF yesterday. The arrogance is outright insulting.

The U.S. can't really afford the status quo regardless who is in office.

The U.S. needs changes in its constitution if it ever wants to go back to where it was and get the rest of the world to play along again.

The fact that the DoJ is not an independent institution unlike in almost every other western country makes it impossible to uphold the law if the white house doesn't want to. The only thing preventing a sitting president from going after his political enemies is a "gentleman's agreement" between administrations in the United States.

Stability it key and there isn't any as we can see clearly.

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Post by rapsey »

lm28469 wrote: post #31
rapsey wrote: post #2

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And the US spent the last 5 years pissing off the EU, China and playing a weird game with Russia while gargling Israel balls (as usual) What's your point?

The US has power. Military, Financial, Cultural. The EU does not.

Re: EU Parliament freezes US trade deal ratification

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Post by kzrdude »

ViewTrick1002 wrote: post #32
thecopy wrote: post #11

It all seems so surprisingly unnecessary. Angry geriatric man f*cks the world up for generations to come, then in a short bit he will die, and not have to live through the consequences.

Trump is the symptom, not the cause. The cause the US people.

That is a very simplified take. Congress has been locking up for the past decades and is now unable to do useful regulation for the people. Much of it is due to how the funding of candidates works and the feedback loop effect it had on the political culture.

Trump is a symptom of this failure of political culture too.

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