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Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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post #6

I've been thinking: Trump won't settle for less than Greenland unless it's the Nobel Peace Price. So... why not give it to him but with caveats? E.g. It will be presented to him in an extraordinary pompous celebration (to tickle his ego) but will remain in Norway until the day of the end of Trump's presidency. He will receive it again on that day, and can keep it!, in another majestic ceremony.

Appeasement doesn’t work.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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post #2

As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands. Setting politics aside for a moment: Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark? I see polling suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Americans, around 75%, oppose the idea of purchasing or seizing Greenland. It clearly isn't a popular demand among the general public.…

> "To us in the Nordics, this is baffling."

Once you stop looking at trump as a president and start looking at him as a narcissist it becomes less baffling and more clinically insane.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

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post #4
post #2

As a Norwegian, I am genuinely curious how US citizens are reacting to Trump’s letter To Norway and demands. Setting politics aside for a moment: Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark? I see polling suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Americans, around 75%, oppose the idea of purchasing or seizing Greenland. It clearly isn't a popular demand among the general public.…

Have been following Trump since the 1970's. This is a negotiating tactic of his and actually it's a somewhat common negotiating tactic that many people follow when in a negotiation for something they want. Behaviorally anything less than the original demand seems more acceptable. Think of if you were diagnosed with a dreaded disease and then found out you had a lesser disease. The lesser disease by contrast seems les…

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths some people will go to in order to sane wash the batshit crazy things that the President says and does. And just like all the other rationalizations before this, this one is no different: "negotiating tactic" (aka 4D Chess)

> I don't know what the angle is (haven't thought that much about it)

You don't? It seems pretty clear to me. He states it in the first sentence of his letter:

"Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace..."

That's it. That's the reason. It's not very complicated and it doesn't require any thought. Childish? Sure. Unbecoming of an elected official in any capacity? Absolutely. But this is who he is and this is how he operates. I can't think of any President before Trump that required special whisperers to translate everything he says and tell us what he really means.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

#44
post #6

I've been thinking: Trump won't settle for less than Greenland unless it's the Nobel Peace Price. So... why not give it to him but with caveats? E.g. It will be presented to him in an extraordinary pompous celebration (to tickle his ego) but will remain in Norway until the day of the end of Trump's presidency. He will receive it again on that day, and can keep it!, in another majestic ceremony.

That would also be the end of the nobel peace prize, no? If you can 'win' it by blackmailing.

The Nobel Peace Prize committee can then award it to themselves the following year, for averting a hostile takeover of Greenland.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

#45
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say that. From the article; "The text was forwarded by the White House National Security Council to ambassadors in Washington, and was clearly intended to be widely shared. Here it is": Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now…

The article is an opinion piece that cites a tweet. Primary sources seem to only call it "a text message"

For your information: The Norwegian Government refers to it as a letter from the President of the United States to the Prime Minister of Norway. So no, this is not a random tweet.

If I remember correctly, the message was originally sent as a text message, but when a head of state sends a written message to another head of state, and that message is then circulated as an official FYI to the sender’s ambassadors, it is widely regarded as official communication.

The article itself is an opinion piece, yes, but the letter has been extensively reported across Europe and internationally. I could just as well have referenced one of those reports.

Re: Trump's Letter to Norway Should Be the Last Straw

#47
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if how r/conservative is reacting is anything to go by, even the most hardcore MAGA and Russian bots do not seem to agree with this.

Give them time to figure out the mental gymnastics. They always do.

Iv seen few tweets by hardcores going from 'lol its obviously fake and stupid ragebait' to 'yes yes this is totally rational' after learning letter was real.
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