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Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by aebtebeten »

gsf_emergency_6 wrote: post #33
aebtebeten wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you called your members of congress yet?

https://archive.ph/PfNAo

> Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) predicted [a Greenland war powers bill] would easily pass if an invasion was imminent

I wonder what "imminent" might mean to Tillis? Anchorage to Nuuk is only ~5 hours by air (Newburgh to Nuuk, ~3h15).

(using https://nuclearsecrecy.com/missilemap/ for distances and assuming ~900 km/h for a C-17 — although it would require multiple C-17s [which Anchorage has] to significantly outnumber the allied OOB [per wikipedia])

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the standard bureaucrats' response to crises, according to Sir Humphrey Appleby GCB KBE MVO:

  - Nothing is going to happen.
  - Something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
  - Maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
  - Maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.
EDIT: we also know Tillis can be less than completely candid; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46551849

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

Can some EU country leader (ideally Macron/Denmark PM) punch him in the face in Davos and then claim that it's just a personal matter and not an issue between countries to avoid legal ramifications?

Surely a broken jaw would prove quite the challenge for an 80 year old to recover from and fist fight on personal matter grounds would not constitute an attack on the U.S. henceforth not endangering NATO

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by [deleted] »

andsoitis wrote: post #40
throw0101d wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Right! Either scrap it, or award it only to (A) those recently deceased who have devoted their lives to making peace, or (B) defunct organizations who have completed their mission and had operated in the interests of peace. The legal trust for all the Nobel Prizes state (AIUI) that they can only be awarded to living persons. The only option would be to not award it (like happened in 1948).

> The legal trust for all the Nobel Prizes state (AIUI) that they can only be awarded to living persons. Can the Nobel Foundation change their rules? Or is static, forever set in stone? In a complex world, you need to be able to adapt.

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Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by fifilura »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #27
gizajob wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a situation where a president demands the peace prize otherwise he causes a war isn’t a good look for Nobel, and shows that we’ve now moved so far from the original intention of the prize that the peace component really should be scrapped.

Right! Either scrap it, or award it only to (A) those recently deceased who have devoted their lives to making peace, or (B) defunct organizations who have completed their mission and had operated in the interests of peace. Giving a "peace" award to living people/organizations -- who can and do go on to sully the award with most unpeaceful deeds -- is a proven failure.

The thing is, they don't "need" to do anything.

This is the prize.

If people find it irrelevant it will become irrelevant.

The committee didn't ask for the US president to put so much relevance into it.

He got the FIFA peace prize. It would be better if he valued that prize higher.

You have to ask yourself. Why is it important for you that they change?

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by gizajob »

throw0101d wrote: post #30
gizajob wrote: post #23

Another day, another step closer to O.N.A.N. - Organisation of North American Nations - as predicted by David Foster Wallace in Infinite Jest. DFW, Neal Stephenson, and Idiocracy seemed funny 25 years ago. Not so much now that they seem to have predicted where we have arrived.

> DFW, Neal Stephenson, and Idiocracy seemed funny 25 years ago. Not so much now that they seem to have predicted where we have arrived. Idiocracy did not predict things accurately: in that movie the President acknowledges that he does not have all the answers and asks questions (and listens) to people he recognizes as knowing more from him. That is not the situation currently.

True. Didn’t predict the president building a Ba’al room for Moloch worship into the White House either.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by rjrjrjrj »

gizajob wrote: post #8
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

At this point they should really do away with the peace prize, or dramatically change how it's granted. As things stand, it's frequently a complete debacle. (Of course in 2025, but see also, e.g., Abiy Ahmed.) Or an embarrassment. (Too many examples to list.) They ought to either cancel the thing outright, or invert the usual Nobel Prize rule and only award the peace prize posthumously. That would solve every problem…

I think Obama winning the prize just for winning the election while being black was a very poor precedent to set.

I think the US electing a convicted criminal as President was a very poor precedent to set.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by gsf_emergency_6 »

aebtebeten wrote: post #41
gsf_emergency_6 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://archive.ph/PfNAo

> Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) predicted [a Greenland war powers bill] would easily pass if an invasion was imminent I wonder what "imminent" might mean to Tillis? Anchorage to Nuuk is only ~5 hours by air (Newburgh to Nuuk, ~3h15). (using https://nuclearsecrecy.com/missilemap/ for distances and assuming ~900 km/h for a C-17 — although it would require multiple C-17s [which Anchorage has] to significantly outnumber the…

Ah! Having randos call congressmen is generally a great idea for urgent+important+bipartisan issues (tech or fiscal), which at the moment I can think of 3

a)AI (in particular, regulation on the mil/statedept use of "private AI").

b)independence of the fed

c)tariffs

Imho

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #42

Can some EU country leader (ideally Macron/Denmark PM) punch him in the face in Davos and then claim that it's just a personal matter and not an issue between countries to avoid legal ramifications? Surely a broken jaw would prove quite the challenge for an 80 year old to recover from and fist fight on personal matter grounds would not constitute an attack on the U.S. henceforth not endangering NATO

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Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Post by moogly »

gizajob wrote: post #8
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

At this point they should really do away with the peace prize, or dramatically change how it's granted. As things stand, it's frequently a complete debacle. (Of course in 2025, but see also, e.g., Abiy Ahmed.) Or an embarrassment. (Too many examples to list.) They ought to either cancel the thing outright, or invert the usual Nobel Prize rule and only award the peace prize posthumously. That would solve every problem…

I think Obama winning the prize just for winning the election while being black was a very poor precedent to set.

Henry Kissinger though?
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