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Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

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I encourage you to read the oath I'm referring to: It's notable compared to other historic officer oaths in that it deliberately does not mention the President. The word constitution is the key distinction.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This and and the previous comment really highlights the true political divide between the Americans. I wonder if it is a flaw of such 2-party system (both that lean to the right-, and thus are inflexible to other political views) where others can't find space for less-extreme political views and ideas, and thus exacerbating the situation as people are forced to bracket themselves to only these two parties?

Both parties had this view even up to a decade ago. It was actually right-wing libertarian fanatics that advocated mass unchecked immigration with a view to cheap labor. The Koch brothers(now singular) and the vast amount of billionaires wanted a complete amnesty. Ronald Reagan did give a complete amnesty to Californians. Even Bernie Sanders warned about this years ago.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Genuine question to US folks: Why do you guys seem to be hell bent on keeping and welcoming large number of illegal immigrants in your country? Almost no other country does that except western ones. From an outsider’s viewpoint, current approach of letting almost anyone in does not seem to work that well.

> From an outsider’s viewpoint, current approach of letting almost anyone in does not seem to work that well.

By what metric do you make this determination?

From a crime perspective, legal immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens, and illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes still.

From an economic perspective, immigrants of all stripes tend to work harder than native-born citizens so they can establish themselves here. They contribute to society, pay their taxes, and in the case of illegal immigrants, aren't even afforded its protections and services.

The only metric by which I could see an argument that immigration has backfired is in political unrest, but that's mostly due to the fact that the right-wing media has been stoking panic over immigration for decades - anything to distract from how easily we're being fleeced by the wealthy and powerful.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

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Can two things not be true at once? There are indeed "illegal immigrants", AND the current methods of enforcement are some straight up gestapo-BS in which themselves also illegal and warrant non-compliance. Why is this an either-or?

The America I grew up in is fervently against kings, as a defining principle, and put the lawmaking powers purposefully in the hands of not the president, but in the representatives of the people. Unless you straight-up buy Nixon's view that "[...] when the president does it… that means that it is not illegal.", and maybe you do, this view doesn't pass any kind of scrutiny what-so-ever...

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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You may not have meant to excuse the sad state we are in by presenting the "both sides are bad" argument. But it does have a strong whiff of it. Both sides are bad. No doubt about it. It has always been that way. But, one side takes being bad to a whole new level. Our choice has always been between bad and less bad. The voters decided to pull the lever for "massively bad" during the last presidential election because…

The politics of fear stoked by two sets of extremists egging eachother on is the core reason we're in this mess, the failure to reject both simultaneously and the desire to rule with feelings instead of facts caused it all. I'm not a "whatabout" guy, I'm actively opposed to both extremes. The far left is just as capable of ruling with violence as the far right, they just haven't got the opportunity in this country ye…

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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So many people are like this. Their ideals only apply when they benefit people they like.

You may not have meant to excuse the sad state we are in by presenting the "both sides are bad" argument. But it does have a strong whiff of it. Both sides are bad. No doubt about it. It has always been that way. But, one side takes being bad to a whole new level. Our choice has always been between bad and less bad. The voters decided to pull the lever for "massively bad" during the last presidential election because…

In agreement with sibling colechristensen but wanted to add.

>The voters decided to pull the lever for "massively bad" during the last presidential election because they could not tell the difference.

That is being intellectually dishonest, we had already had 4 years of Trump and similarly had 4 years of Kahmala with Biden.

Saying they were ignorant or didn't understand is to ignore the electorate and their issues.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Why did Minneapolis end up getting more ire than Chicago? I thought it was Chicago that Trump wouldn't shut up about this whole time

They found a weakness to justify an increase in violence to their base: the day care corruption. Despite the fact that most of that was found and prosecuted years ago, right-wing influencers were successfully able to bring it back to the forefront, and the administration jumped on it to justify an increased ICE presence, naturally leading to the violence we see. They didn't get the same thing in Chicago, where ICE avoided most of the areas likely to see violence in the first place. And they didn't leave Chicago, they just aren't publicizing it like they were.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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It's amazing and sad to watch Republicans so quickly forget what 'Republic' means as they trash State Sovereignty and lick the Federal Boot...MAGA means RINO.

I guess "Don't Tread on Me" and states rights are just for red states. It's shameful watching all the hypocrisy.

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