Important to note that this article is geared toward Fleet Managers, so terms like “average service life” may not apply. For example the average car in the us survives 12.6 years before being junked, totaled, etc. which is far longer than a car would be in fleet service at a company.
The guide to real-world EV battery health
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Re: The guide to real-world EV battery health
#42Hopefully, in coming years, we will see more practically designed EVs that are more affordable. A practical car doesn't need neck-snapping acceleration, every bell-and-whistle and room for a family of six with a dog. I'd like to believe that as batteries cost drop, the incentive to justify the extra cost will drop. Then we can get back to "just basic transportation" rather than a luxury product for the rich. While $3…
Affordable EVs exist and are widely available in some countries. They're effectively banned in North America, though.
That’s hogwash - affordable EVs from one country are effectively banned, but we have affordable EVs. It’s just that nobody wants to buy them.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bike > walk == public transit > used EV > new EV > used ICE > new ICE That's pretty much the order of "greenness" in personal transport. New EVs will pay off their added carbon footprint in roughly 1 or 2 years in most locations. The ultimate determining factor of how fast that is the energy mix of your local power generation. The only time it'd probably be better to continue using an ICE is if that ICE is a moped or…
How on earth is Bike > Walk? Walk is > Bike.
Bike is the most efficient form of transportation, period.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is true though, in some cases. The embodied carbon of a Rivian for example is never paid back by operations. So you do have to exercise good judgement in which EV you choose. The category doesn't always win. In my case I already own a hybrid that I only drive 2000 mi/yr and there is not yet an EV that I could buy with so little embodied carbon that it would make sense to do so. At the rate China is decarbonizing,…
> The embodied carbon of a Rivian for example is never paid back by operations Really? I could imagine it being significantly longer than an average EV, but never? Regardless of driving pattern? Got a link or can you show your math?
https://assets.rivian.com/2md5qhoeajym/4wuFZHyC16SDwjbJN7a6j...
According to the company itself, their bloated truck-like luxury object has double the emissions of a normal hybrid car.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point most EVs are exactly the way you describe and Tesla is an outlier. Look at Hyundai/Kia’s lineup. The Niro, EV6, and EV9 are essentially the three major segments of American car preferences. They aren’t particularly fast or exotic. They don’t really cost a whole lot more to buy/own than alternatives in the same segment especially on a monthly payment or buying one used, they just aren’t chosen at a high…
I always drive my EV6 in eco mode because normal and sport feel dangerously fast. I think my 0-60 in sport mode is 4 seconds? The Niro however is spot on.
The only ev6 that will do 0-60 that fast is the GT, the standard one is in the 6-7s range which is the same as a typical gas crossover.
Re: The guide to real-world EV battery health
#46Tesla does their own with real world data. It’s a non-issue. Save the planet. Stop making excuses and get an EV.
While buying an EV is a greener choice than buying an ICE, a better option still is to use the vehicle you already have for as long as reasonable. This also overlooks the fact that EVs are prohibitively expensive for the vast majority of the population. It isn't the case that people aren't buying them because of preference. Nearly everyone would buy a car that's cheaper to run and maintain if they could afford it.
> a better option still is to use the vehicle you already have for as long as reasonable
I've gone back and forth on this. When you buy an EV your old ICE vehicle is not destroyed, it continues it's lifecycle when it goes to someone else. Moreover, there's value in sending a market signal in buying an EV, which is important at this stage of transition.
Maybe the argument is about average age of the road fleet? That a used ICE vehicle should be replaced with a used EV?
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#4781% of original capacity for many cars means when driving at highway speeds you will get like 250 miles or less range per charge. Still dramatically less than gas cars.
Oh no, it won’t do the thing drastically few Americans do ever and the rest do once a year at best. Meanwhile i go to bed and have a full tank of gas the next day for close to free.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bike > walk == public transit > used EV > new EV > used ICE > new ICE That's pretty much the order of "greenness" in personal transport. New EVs will pay off their added carbon footprint in roughly 1 or 2 years in most locations. The ultimate determining factor of how fast that is the energy mix of your local power generation. The only time it'd probably be better to continue using an ICE is if that ICE is a moped or…
How is biking better than walking? New EV vs used ICE will depend on how much you drive and in what conditions. I would guess what I do (in the UK) is uncommon in the US but it must be possible but working from home plus living in a town rather than a city means I only do low single digit thousands of miles a year and that almost entirely on clear roads. People in much of the UK commute by public transport and use th…
Bike is the most efficient form of transportation, even walking doesn’t compare.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has always been true of gas vehicles as well. They're banned for not having some safety feature or otherwise complying with FMVSS or some other regularity body, not because they are "affordable".
That is insane. Smaller vehicles are safer at a social level because they do less damage when they hit something - especially a pedestrian. Regulatory bodies should be encouraging them for that reason alone (let alone all the others).
Think the cybertruck effectively shows that noone cares about the safety of those outside of the vehicle too much
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
How on earth is Bike > Walk? Walk is > Bike.
Bike is the most efficient form of transportation, period.
Shoes have a lower environmental impact and cost than than steel, plastic, rubber tyres (which AFAIK use at least some synthetic rubber made from oil), etc. Walking does not use fuel so efficiency is not really relevant. It requires less physical extortion so is more efficient that way, but another way to phrase that is that it is less exercise.