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Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

i think when they say "only system of it's kind" they mean they are solving all of these problems in different ways than all other systems... everything from rails to django to opa to derby to whatever.

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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post #40
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's still blank unless you execute the javascript

I have allowed most connections on NoScript and RequestPolicy in Firefox, but this website shows only the background image. How do they use many APIs or stupid JavaScript snipets to show something about SECURITY?

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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post #10

"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

>That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

While I agree with you wrt to there being other examples, and the original claim was wrong/false, it could be considered presumptuous to label this as 'an outright lie'.

Most people I know, and the internets, seem to agree that lying requires: intent to deceive.

Having chatted with Matt DeBergalis online and in person on occasion, he comes across rather honest in my admittedly subjective opinion (although welcome to hear contrary info). So if we accept that, then it seems unlikely he would intentionally allow the team to spread falsehood knowingly (especially if it's so easily refuted).

FWIW, I think Meteor is cool for certain camps and projects, but I also really like the 'pick and choose' NPM-friendly style of node development (in fact my personal preference at the moment is for an open modular ecosystem vs a monolithic framework with plenty of magic), so it's not like I have any particular emotional investment in saying this, other than to correct the record.

So in conclusion, this does not seem like a totally fair assessment of the author.

(And yes I realized you mentioned no-one by name, but a project website cannot 'lie'. At the end of the day, a person was still responsible for writing those words).

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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post #10

"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

There is Derby, http://derbyjs.com

And Socketstream

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

#45
post #10

"Meteor 0.5.0, available today, allows you to write secure realtime client-server applications in pure JavaScript. It's the only system of its kind in the world." That's an outright lie. cf. http://opalang.org

There is Derby, http://derbyjs.com

And Socketstream

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

#46
This is a huge milestone for a very, very interesting and ambitious project. I wish instead of nit-picking about the marketing language in a release announcement, people would take a minute to appreciate just how amazing this platform is becoming. Yes, ok, derby.js and socketstream and nowjs and opa and realtime-project-foo and etc, sure, maybe they are awesome too, but so what? Meteor is incredible, and contributing to this rising tide floating all the realtime framework boats. And that is something to celebrate imho.

To the meteor team: high five, keep it coming, and thank you!

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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I saw the following tweet from PG within the last hour and wondered if it was a reference to some tech company launch. Then I came here and saw this story. Still not sure...

@paulg: "Did anyone else see a fireball heading east over Silicon Valley at 7:44? (Meteor?)"

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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post #47

I saw the following tweet from PG within the last hour and wondered if it was a reference to some tech company launch. Then I came here and saw this story. Still not sure... @paulg: "Did anyone else see a fireball heading east over Silicon Valley at 7:44? (Meteor?)"

Nope. That is in reference to an actual, physical event, not a startup. My guess is that it's related to this: http://menlopark-atherton.patch.com/articles/orionids-meteor...

Re: Meteor releases authentication, accounts system, and new screencast

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I know these guys have good intentions, but they seem confused about the guarantees that SRP provides. It does allow the server to verify the user's password without receiving it, but it doesn't help in any was against offline attacks. If the "password" (in this case verifier) database is compromised, the attackers will still be able to brute force the passwords. If they implemented it correctly, they will be salted,…

I have an exercise: is it possible to create a javascript file (served over https) that, when included in a non-https HTML page, is able to determine whether any other scripts were included on the page or will be included on the page by a man-in-the-middle? If this were possible (I suspect it is not), then it might be possible to have secure javascript code running over a non-HTTPS url. (the motivation for this is to…

An attacker can just remove the -tag that points to the HTTS-served verifier.

In general: If the site the user visits is plain HTTP then there's no way to trust the site.

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