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Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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There's a similar story about a progression of robot repair devices --- which has to end in a "Master Robot Repairman" profession which is the folks who repair the robots which repair other robots. Blanking on author and title, but read it a _long_ while ago, and it had a distinctly golden age feel --- maybe Murray Leinster?

There's something a little like this in Strata by Pratchett (which is lightly sending up Niven's Ringworld and a non-robot-related but similar idea there).

Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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A very nice story, and an interesting reflection on the education system. Also, and this is just an aside, but “the protagonist who is too special for the sorting hat” is a bit of a trope in young adult literature at this point. Is this the first real instance of it? 1957. That’s a while ago! I don’t even know if the “sorting hat” trope was established enough to subvert at the time.

Not really an example of the trope, but suspect Asimov might have got some of his ideas from Huxley's Brave New World, where it turns out the occupation-segregated dystopia is actually run by an idealistic type who's committed to the system but finds nonconformists and forbidden literature really interesting study subjects to make it better, and exile to the Falklands is actually a reward, sort of...

Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one would have recognized any tropes in 1957 beyond Shakespeare. Even Joseph Campbell wasn’t popularized until decades later.

Sorry, I can’t tell if this is sarcastic. Well I think it has a kernel of truth that overstates it for rhetorical flair. I’m willing to believe the phrase “trope” wasn’t invented in 1957 if that’s what you are saying. But surely they had the idea of popular little trends in contemporary literature. The must have known they were writing pulp sci-fi. At least when they got their copies they could feel the texture!

Trope comes from classical Latin.

Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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A very nice story, and an interesting reflection on the education system. Also, and this is just an aside, but “the protagonist who is too special for the sorting hat” is a bit of a trope in young adult literature at this point. Is this the first real instance of it? 1957. That’s a while ago! I don’t even know if the “sorting hat” trope was established enough to subvert at the time.

No one would have recognized any tropes in 1957 beyond Shakespeare. Even Joseph Campbell wasn’t popularized until decades later.

As mentioned, the word "trope" dates back to ancient times, although generally meaning rhetorical devices like similes and metaphors rather than in the "reused plot" sense generally used today. But even the ancients still recognized those. Aristotle's Poetics deals with plays in addition to poems, and he discusses what sort of plots work in tragedies.

Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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Remind me of a recent discussion we had among Stackoverflow moderator: > “Think about it,” he continued. “Who discovers the edge cases the docs don’t mention? Who answers the questions that haven’t been asked before? It can’t be people trained only to repeat canonical answers. Somewhere, it has to stop. Somewhere, someone has to think.” > “Yes,” said the Moderator. > He leaned back. For a moment, restlessness flicker…

What does “destroy the system” mean here?

Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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A very nice story, and an interesting reflection on the education system. Also, and this is just an aside, but “the protagonist who is too special for the sorting hat” is a bit of a trope in young adult literature at this point. Is this the first real instance of it? 1957. That’s a while ago! I don’t even know if the “sorting hat” trope was established enough to subvert at the time.

> who is too special

"Fans are slans."

Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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post #47
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Remind me of a recent discussion we had among Stackoverflow moderator: > “Think about it,” he continued. “Who discovers the edge cases the docs don’t mention? Who answers the questions that haven’t been asked before? It can’t be people trained only to repeat canonical answers. Somewhere, it has to stop. Somewhere, someone has to think.” > “Yes,” said the Moderator. > He leaned back. For a moment, restlessness flicker…

What does “destroy the system” mean here?

If you have to ask, you aren't ready to know the answer. There are some things you have to figure out on your own. This is one of them.

Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)

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post #47
post #13

Remind me of a recent discussion we had among Stackoverflow moderator: > “Think about it,” he continued. “Who discovers the edge cases the docs don’t mention? Who answers the questions that haven’t been asked before? It can’t be people trained only to repeat canonical answers. Somewhere, it has to stop. Somewhere, someone has to think.” > “Yes,” said the Moderator. > He leaned back. For a moment, restlessness flicker…

What does “destroy the system” mean here?

Use it to train an "AI"? :)

Probably not the OPs intent though. I suspect there are a lot of ways to destroy the system.

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