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Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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Here are the migrations we been doing to with my extended family to get rid of our US dependencies:

- Gmail -> ProtonMail

- Whatsapp -> Telegram

- I installed Linux to my parents laptops. They like it.

- YouTube App -> Newpipe and Smarttube

Also, my next car will be a BYD. The current one is a Ford.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is China a better country to rely on?

You mean compared to the country that is bombing other countries, kidnapping their leaders while also threatening to annex territory of its ally?

Which countries and leaders do you have in mind?

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#43
Please, just leave already. Stop talking about it and just do it. It’s like people talking about how awful social media is. Just don’t fucking use it.

Nothing would make Americans happier than an alternative. Europeans, go build your own big tech that can compete and win against Microsoft/Copilot. It’s not a big lift.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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The easiest was of escaping the trap of US tech dependence, is to buy your tech from China. Everything they have is very advanced, and cheap to boot. Huawei instead of Apple, WeChat instead of WhatsApp, etc. Everyone wins except Trump.

The downside is that this tech stack is also being rolled out to Iran, Myanmar, Pakistan, and Venezuela to build their own local versions of the Great Firewall. It is currently being used to crush dissent and imprison anyone who disagrees with the regime.

I guess if you consider that “winning” then definitely continue to support Chinese dominance.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To push out the US tech you need to build something that’s better than the US tech. Anything else is just wishful thinking. Not true at all, a perfect example from the ride-sharing world. Lyft and Uber left Austin a decade ago over a city ordinance requiring background checks, so a couple local tech folks pitched in a very small amount of money, relatively speaking, and built a non-profit version of Uber. Everyone…

Your story makes the point that the nonprofit app only worked under new government regulations and could not survive in the free market? I do think more infrastructure should be non-profit, but if someone makes a for-profit version that beats you there’s not really much to do other than hoping the government has your back.

The nonprofit app worked because the existing players didn't want to do required background checks on drivers and exited the market to make the local government look bad. When that tactic failed, they came back and used some of their VC billions to recapture the market by artificially lowering the price of their services. That's not at all "free market", that's buying your way to a monopoly (or more technically an oligopoly in this case)

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#46
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Geopolitics aside, tech dependence in general has tipped from net helping us to hurting us. AI dependence is going to make social media dependence look like nothing.

I have never seen some person or organization that couldn't ditch LLMs in an instant.

Are you talking about some other kind of AI?

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#47

The easiest was of escaping the trap of US tech dependence, is to buy your tech from China. Everything they have is very advanced, and cheap to boot. Huawei instead of Apple, WeChat instead of WhatsApp, etc. Everyone wins except Trump.

How would this lead to sovereignty?

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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“You told me these were the best engineers in the world!!” “I said they were the best engineers in Canada” (Great quote from the BlackBerry movie). Rings true here. You can’t fight market forces. To push out the US tech you need to build something that’s better than the US tech. Anything else is just wishful thinking.

Only if you think that government's only purpose is to look pretty. Economies are planned. You can either plan them as governments, or let your oligarchs and foreign oligarchs plan them together ("market forces.") These only look the same when you allow oligarchs to determine your governments.

At the very least, you want domestic oligarchs determining your governments. Their power is based in your country, and they might have a bit of sentimentality on top of that. Leaving it to "market forces" is just watching, not participating.

If some guy in Canada builds something better than current US tech, he's going to sell it to a US oligarch and probably move there, too.

edit: "Our ambition cannot stop there though. In far too many cases, our governments, universities, schools, and other public institutions—not to mention private businesses—are run on Microsoft or Google services. Now is the perfect time to get governments off Microsoft 365 and schools off Google Classroom by properly resourcing a new public agency or Crown corporation dedicated to building technology in the public interest."

This has always been the only answer, but it requires a relatively clean government. The government has to maintain ownership of these things, and cannot subcontract out the work.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

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Made a Ask HN, but screwed it up by editing the text. Anyway, good ideas/tools for evaluating LLMs ? Naturally, as a Dane, I am moving away from Claude, but I’d like more than a gut feel about how much I may have given up to do so.

Just go for Qwen or Deepseek. They are both very good.

Re: Escaping the trap of US tech dependence

#50
If we want to meaningfully reduce our dependency we "just" need more capital. All founders in Canada will tell you that Canadian VC suck: they are risk averse, their due diligence is painful and their terms are made so they can't lose. It is not rare in Canada for ex-founders of failed startups to be hundred of thousands of dollars in debt. That's why we are always advised to go seek funding in the US.

In Canada we like to give money to big established monopolies, that's our thing. The SR&ED program is a prime example of that, as a bootstrap business it took us 3 years before we could apply since we didn't have enough money to front full salaries for 1.5y before receiving a grant.

It is not really a complex problem to solve, the entrepreneurs know the solutions but our politicians and wealthy people are so small c conservative it's pathetic.

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