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Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by diogenescynic »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #19
diogenescynic wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and I'm pointing out what's changed from Obama to Trump is the way that 'sanctuary cities' are complying with federal immigration laws. Under Obama, the sanctuary cities provided lists of students whose parents weren't citizens etc and the media didn't cover the arrests etc. It's selective enforcement of the law. When democrats are in power, they enforce it and media ignores it. When republicans are in power, t…

Why are you complaining so much about the past? The tragedies unfolding today could have been prevented, with a little human dignity. Speaking of "illegal immigrants" to justify destroying lifes that in some cases had been spent entirely in the US is just that, a cheap blanket to cover inhumane and racist motives. The strawmen you create with "why is no other country allowed to have a border" are as disgusting as you…

I'm not complaining about the past--I'm actually praising Obama for his consistency with uploading the law. You are the one complaining about the present (so that's an interesting rhetorical attack to invert reality like that). I'm pointing out that democrats complaining about Trump were not complaining about Obama--were you? Or were you one of the ones who took the bait that Trump was building concentration camps (that were actually facilities built under Obama)? You don't think it's funny that the people now calling it fascism were ignoring the same thing under Obama? The sanctuary cities were turning over illegal immigrants who committed crimes to ICE when Obama was in office. They called him Deporter in Chief. It's mass hysteria led by Rachel Maddow and these TDS inflicted people who can't get a grip on reality under Trump. They've truly lost it. Trump isn't Hitler, this isn't fascism, and this is nothing more than sour grapes. In 20 years, people will mock democrats for this period.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

diogenescynic wrote: post #41
throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you complaining so much about the past? The tragedies unfolding today could have been prevented, with a little human dignity. Speaking of "illegal immigrants" to justify destroying lifes that in some cases had been spent entirely in the US is just that, a cheap blanket to cover inhumane and racist motives. The strawmen you create with "why is no other country allowed to have a border" are as disgusting as you…

I'm not complaining about the past--I'm actually praising Obama for his consistency with uploading the law. You are the one complaining about the present (so that's an interesting rhetorical attack to invert reality like that). I'm pointing out that democrats complaining about Trump were not complaining about Obama--were you? Or were you one of the ones who took the bait that Trump was building concentration camps (t…

> You don't think it's funny that the people now calling it fascism were ignoring the same thing under Obama?

Obamas ICE didnt sweep from door to door.

> this isn't fascism

Except a cleansed bureaucracy, a paralized legislative, and an "totally immune" unleashed executive. Did you get, trump talking about maybe canceling mid terms and invoking the insurection act?

You didnt answer my question about moral, as expected.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by mindslight »

diogenescynic wrote: post #39
mindslight wrote: post #12

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> flouting It was never cities' job to enforce immigration law either, so legally cities were doing nothing wrong. Rather cities have been working to their own incentives about what best encourages local-law-abiding residents to work with police and get local crimes solved. Therefore, any so-called "flouting" is pure speech (either pragmatic or political) that we expect to have in an open society. You fascist booster…

>Why do you fascist cheerleaders always dress up Constitutionally-protected activity in emotionally charged language? It's funny when people resort to name calling because you know they have no argument. I never even voted for Trump but I can call a ball or a strike on this without being blinded by political party preferences. Also, the definition of flout is neutral it means to openly disregard something so I used i…

> It's funny when people resort to name

It's not name calling. It's a basic stylistic choice to avoid saying "Republicans" over and over, similar to how "conservative" was used back before that label came to more appropriately describe Democrats. If you don't like the label "fascist", then start using one of your own. Moldbug proposed "reactionary", but it didn't seem to stick.

Federal laws are applied by federal law enforcement. "Sanctuary city" has zilch to do with this. What was being communicated was encouragement for residents of these cities to make themselves legible to city government for the purposes of city governance, regardless of their federal status. For instance, to prevent US citizen children from being kept out of school based on their parents' fear that enrollment lists would be turned over to federal law enforcement, disrupting all of their lives. But facts never got in the way of a good soundbite.

I'm a libertarian. Fuck Hillary. But if you look at Trump's policies and don't see that they're overwhelmingly destructive for America, both domestically and internationally, then you need to seriously escape your filter bubble - either with some independent analysis, or at the very least read some opposition media with an open mind.

Of course this doesn't establish that Trump's agenda is a definitively a hybrid warfare attack deliberately orchestrated by a foreign power - it could simply be his own dementia and our business elites having lost the plot as well - but the model is a good stand-in for whatever attacker it might be, because it directly cuts through the "Trump is tough on China" kayfabe.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by [deleted] »

aebtebeten wrote: post #34
recursivecaveat wrote: post #28

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Interesting, where did you move?

Switzerland. Politics has gotten more polarised away from the centre towards the extremes here as well, but it's still a long way from a two-party state: https://www.aboutswitzerland.eda.admin.ch/en/political-parti...

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Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by diogenescynic »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #42
diogenescynic wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not complaining about the past--I'm actually praising Obama for his consistency with uploading the law. You are the one complaining about the present (so that's an interesting rhetorical attack to invert reality like that). I'm pointing out that democrats complaining about Trump were not complaining about Obama--were you? Or were you one of the ones who took the bait that Trump was building concentration camps (t…

> You don't think it's funny that the people now calling it fascism were ignoring the same thing under Obama? Obamas ICE didnt sweep from door to door. > this isn't fascism Except a cleansed bureaucracy, a paralized legislative, and an "totally immune" unleashed executive. Did you get, trump talking about maybe canceling mid terms and invoking the insurection act? You didnt answer my question about moral, as expected…

>Obamas ICE didnt sweep from door to door.

DUH because the cities were collaborating and not actively flouting ICE. They didn't need to go door to door. Go back to the same way it was under Obama and this wouldn't be happening.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

diogenescynic wrote: post #45
throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't think it's funny that the people now calling it fascism were ignoring the same thing under Obama? Obamas ICE didnt sweep from door to door. > this isn't fascism Except a cleansed bureaucracy, a paralized legislative, and an "totally immune" unleashed executive. Did you get, trump talking about maybe canceling mid terms and invoking the insurection act? You didnt answer my question about moral, as expected…

>Obamas ICE didnt sweep from door to door. DUH because the cities were collaborating and not actively flouting ICE. They didn't need to go door to door. Go back to the same way it was under Obama and this wouldn't be happening.

I dint like these cherry picking conversations.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by bediger4000 »

aebtebeten wrote: post #18
diogenescynic wrote: post #16

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We're going to have to wait until Boomers age out to get any form of common sense government. They've absolutely been the most damaging generation and will leave a wake of destruction for future generations to recover (or not) from.

Waiting doesn't work; ask me how I know :-) (I voted with my feet instead: it only takes ~2 years to learn a language) Actual substantive comment: My personal theory (looking from this side of the Atlantic) is that ICE got weaponised in this format precisely because the US Military wanted no part of thuggery, eg this 2020 memo: https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/CJCS%20Memo%20to%20... Is this a reasonable theor…

I think that's a reasonable theory. Trump had rough experiences (i.e. was not obeyed) by Secretaries of Defense during his first term. He needs his personally loyal armed force because of that. Firing a lot of military leadership is also probably part of that.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by gsf_emergency_6 »

aebtebeten wrote: post #34
recursivecaveat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, where did you move?

Switzerland. Politics has gotten more polarised away from the centre towards the extremes here as well, but it's still a long way from a two-party state: https://www.aboutswitzerland.eda.admin.ch/en/political-parti...

How do you know^W^W^W did you find out? (Taking your ancestor suggestion)

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

#49

Post by aebtebeten »

gsf_emergency_6 wrote: post #48
aebtebeten wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland. Politics has gotten more polarised away from the centre towards the extremes here as well, but it's still a long way from a two-party state: https://www.aboutswitzerland.eda.admin.ch/en/political-parti...

How do you know^W^W^W did you find out? (Taking your ancestor suggestion)

I'm old enough to have seen that as the old bigots died off, young bigots replaced them.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by diogenescynic »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #46
diogenescynic wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Obamas ICE didnt sweep from door to door. DUH because the cities were collaborating and not actively flouting ICE. They didn't need to go door to door. Go back to the same way it was under Obama and this wouldn't be happening.

I dint like these cherry picking conversations.

You shifted your argument every time and I refuted it each time. Now you're just crying because you know your argument was weak.
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