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Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by meeshmuesh »

timeon wrote: post #8
willmarch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They claim the "AWS European Sovereign Cloud represents a physically and logically separate cloud infrastructure, with all components located entirely within the EU" and that it operates entirely under German laws, but I think your skepticism is warranted. I think Europe should push for its own solutions rather than fuel oligarchy/authoritarianism, if they are serious about their own security and preserving liberal v…

Physically separate infrastructure as well as local employees help to some extent. But it is not really sovereign cloud. There is no guarantee that employees would know if some commands are illegal. Plus parent company can fly anyone there if needed.

Plus some staff could be dual citizens with loyalty to the US

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by zwaps »

SteveNuts wrote: post #18
whatever1 wrote: post #15

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Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.

On the list of the things I doubt nowadays, an Amazon or Amazon subsidiary CEO going to jail is way up at the top. They’ll get a national security letter for sure, but no one’s going to jail.

You know that your president is about to put the head of the federal reserve in prison on trumped up charges?

The US is not s country with rule of law anymore. It is a country that is rules by power.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

jeremyjh wrote: post #14
whatever1 wrote: post #10

AWS EU reports to amazon.com in the USA. They are legally obligated to provide any data the US government requests.

They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.

Silly to assume no data crosses the boundary also considering how US is acting like trusting any US company is pretty silly as well.

If that orange clown stays in power it won’t belong before we are at war and then you will lose access to everything overnight and all your data is theirs

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by zwaps »

zwaps wrote: post #40

This is hilarious Since it is a US company, it is still subject to cloud act, US intelligence full access, and Trumps ability to ignore any and all laws and contracts. Microsoft execs, who have similar offerings, have confirmed this under oath. So either this is a valiant attempt by AWS that is ultimately misguided, or it is an attempt to capture customers without even a hint of legal expertise. AWS, Azure and GC sta…

Even though it’s marketing, i think they should not be allowed to call it sovereign.

Perhaps one could sue them for that.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by Nextgrid »

zwaps wrote: post #40

This is hilarious Since it is a US company, it is still subject to cloud act, US intelligence full access, and Trumps ability to ignore any and all laws and contracts. Microsoft execs, who have similar offerings, have confirmed this under oath. So either this is a valiant attempt by AWS that is ultimately misguided, or it is an attempt to capture customers without even a hint of legal expertise. AWS, Azure and GC sta…

> is an attempt to capture customers without even a hint of legal expertise

That's been the (very successful) business model of all those GDPR "consent management" providers.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by knallfrosch »

piccirello wrote: post #26

> We’re gradually transitioning the AWS European Sovereign Cloud to be operated exclusively by EU citizens located in the EU. During this transition period, we will continue to work with a blended team of EU residents and EU citizens located in the EU. I find it fascinating that the goal is to staff this exclusively with EU citizens, thereby excluding non-citizen residents of the EU.

Doesn't make sense to staff it with US or North Koreans now, does it?

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by mfabbri77 »

spookie wrote: post #28
whatever1 wrote: post #19

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MS lawyers could not do it (MS testified in France that they cannot). What make us believe that Amazon lawyers can?

Adding source for this: Transcribed (not translated): https://www.senat.fr/compte-rendu-commissions/20250609/ce_co... Video: https://videos.senat.fr/video.5460497_6847c70b82594 Reports by third parties: https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/25/microsoft_admits_it_c... https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2025/07/22/micro... Edit/note: The main point AWS makes is indeed by whom/where this offering is operated. Bu…

This issue can be resolved on the European side by effectively making the transfer of EU->US data illegal and, if detected, nationalizing the entire EU subsidiary of the US company. Would this trigger a US-EU war? Certainly, but only the blind cannot see that relations are no longer those between two allies.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by shrubble »

whatever1 wrote: post #15
jeremyjh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.

Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.

After tipping their hands too much over prosecuting and removing Joe Nacchio, the Qwest CEO who refused the NSA, I think that any company that does as much business with the federal government as Amazon or any telecom, gets pre-vetted.

This avoids any difficulties later.

Re: Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by jtwaleson »

I'm using OVH Cloud for a customer. There's a bit of uncertainty about the CLOUD Act. As OVH has a US subsidiary, they are still doing business in the US and I have seen claims that this makes also their EU offering susceptible to the CLOUD Act. Does anyone know more details?
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