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San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article also mentions a 50% subsidy up to $310,000. The details aren’t spelled out, but subsidies like this often phase out gradually to avoid a cliff at the threshold.

So now you are better off making 310k than 311k, is that much better? It doesn't matter how you read it you still get that effect.

No at 310k you get $1 dollar at 311k you get $0. But you know like you have 999 more dollars than before. Assuming Post tax income.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #39
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now you are better off making 310k than 311k, is that much better? It doesn't matter how you read it you still get that effect.

These subsidies can be implemented in a way where they taper off instead of imposing a hard cliff.

They can be, but the article says they aren't.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #41
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now you are better off making 310k than 311k, is that much better? It doesn't matter how you read it you still get that effect.

No at 310k you get $1 dollar at 311k you get $0. But you know like you have 999 more dollars than before. Assuming Post tax income.

Where did you read that? It says you get 50% up to $310k, that very clearly means if you make $310k you get 50% off.

> Officials to offer 50% subsidy up to $310,000

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#44
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article also mentions a 50% subsidy up to $310,000. The details aren’t spelled out, but subsidies like this often phase out gradually to avoid a cliff at the threshold.

So now you are better off making 310k than 311k, is that much better? It doesn't matter how you read it you still get that effect.

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Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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Maybe it's not wise to comment on this while living in Germany and never having been to SF.

But my first thought was: Are they gonna shuttle the kids in and out of the city in order to provide said childcare? Or the staff? How would the staff afford housing in SF on a "normal" salary? Where would they build the required buildings when land costs an arm and a leg?

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#46

Maybe it's not wise to comment on this while living in Germany and never having been to SF. But my first thought was: Are they gonna shuttle the kids in and out of the city in order to provide said childcare? Or the staff? How would the staff afford housing in SF on a "normal" salary? Where would they build the required buildings when land costs an arm and a leg?

The staff in my baby’s London nursery all live outside of London.

Edit: or are very young and live with their parents.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am i missing the joke? ChatGPT tells me 3% of 100 is 3, not 0.18.

.18 is 3% of 6. This might mean something, but I don't know what.

10 months out of six years is 0.14 so it isn't quite prenatal benefits.

What happens if an unborn baby has rights to go to preschool, but the birthing parent can't?

Is an unborn child a US citizen yet?

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#48

Maybe it's not wise to comment on this while living in Germany and never having been to SF. But my first thought was: Are they gonna shuttle the kids in and out of the city in order to provide said childcare? Or the staff? How would the staff afford housing in SF on a "normal" salary? Where would they build the required buildings when land costs an arm and a leg?

> Are they gonna shuttle the kids in and out of the city in order to provide said childcare?

The city itself is tiny, this is not the metropolitan area of San Francisco, its just the city limits, so yeah people in suburbs will commute into the city to work there, just like most other people working in San Francisco.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #48

Maybe it's not wise to comment on this while living in Germany and never having been to SF. But my first thought was: Are they gonna shuttle the kids in and out of the city in order to provide said childcare? Or the staff? How would the staff afford housing in SF on a "normal" salary? Where would they build the required buildings when land costs an arm and a leg?

> Are they gonna shuttle the kids in and out of the city in order to provide said childcare? The city itself is tiny, this is not the metropolitan area of San Francisco, its just the city limits, so yeah people in suburbs will commute into the city to work there, just like most other people working in San Francisco.

There's also great (by American standards) public transit into/through the city. Caltrain and BART can get you into SF quickly from quite a large area nearby.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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Income cliffs, even phased, are generally stupid. See Britain's 100k cliff for free childcare. If both parents make 99k, you get it. If one earns 101k and the other earns zero, you don't get it. The workaround (pension stuffing) is widely known and actually means the govt comes off worse than if they'd just given the childcare away. There are all kinds of other perverse effects like people turning down promotions or…

I am also confused by cliffs. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me could explain why you would ever want them for something like this instead of just having higher progressive tax rates for well off people to make up for it. Naively I would think that that’s significantly easier from and administrative point of view too.
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