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Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by farseer »

submeta wrote: post #13

Western governments do not want democracy in Iran. They want the son of Shah back in Iran, the Shah whose father tortured and exploited Iranians, and that led to the revolution and the rise of the mullahs. The US and Israel want regime change so Israel can dominate the ME. Just like they replaced Assad in Syria by Jolani, a wanted Al Qaeda terrorist who does not oppose Israel in any way but slaughter kurds and alavit…

You are partially right, Israel does want to subdue the middle east and Iran stands in the way. However that does not absolve the current Iranian government of being a despicable entity, mostly hated by its own people. I hope the Iranian people choose democracy, limit the Ayatollahs to their holy city in Qom like the Vatican, tell that rascal Shah's son to go fornicate himself and of-course continue putting a necessary check on Israeli expansionism.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by SoftTalker »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #24
spwa4 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fingers crossed

My fingers are crossed that whatever happens post current regime that life is markedly better for the Iranian people. I'd hate to see civil war or mass starvation. Their currency has fallen off a cliff and continues to do so.

Puts most of our western troubles in perspective. Things could be worse.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by neoromantique »

submeta wrote: post #38
neoromantique wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Cry me a river about bloody dictators being deposed, wah wah. 2) Nobody is asking to "accept Israel's dominance", but dropping the "Destruction of Israel" as one of the main goals of the state would be a quite welcome. The world does not revolve around Israel, and the less bloody dictators it has (theocratic or not) the better.

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If Israel were to be magically relocated to the moon or mars or 'the sea', region would resume the explosion of local wars, now that common enemy briefly uniting them is gone.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by blobbers »

Cyph0n wrote: post #34
observationist wrote: post #3

This looks like it might be the end for the current regime. There are still people getting information out, and they are tearing down and burning state buildings - around 3000 protesters killed since the crackdown began, but there appear to be tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people who have risen up against the ayatollah, with an unknown number of state forces and officials killed. Crazy start to the year.

This is not going to happen. It might have been a possibility if Israel didn’t decide to start a war and assassination campaign against Iran.

In the sense that Trump wouldn't have gotten elected if he hadn't been prosecuted for those documents?

I agree that these types of things galvanize a population.

Sometimes better to just let sleeping bears sleep.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by ebbi »

observationist wrote: post #3

This looks like it might be the end for the current regime. There are still people getting information out, and they are tearing down and burning state buildings - around 3000 protesters killed since the crackdown began, but there appear to be tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people who have risen up against the ayatollah, with an unknown number of state forces and officials killed. Crazy start to the year.

I'm not so sure. There are plenty of pro-regime protests in Iran currently, and the general replies on interviews I've seen is "yes we have our problems, but we don't want Israel and the US fixing it", which tracks with a lot of sentiment I've heard from Iranian friends of mine.

There was also a three year old killed by anti-regime protestors which has heightened the sentiments of pro-regime protestors.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by zjzkshz »

bpt3 wrote: post #36
zjzkshz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get the downvotes either. Everything you’ve mentioned is pretty easily verifiable and not disputed.

It's being downvoted because it's mostly nonsense based on what I'm aware of. Please enlighten us with some of this easily verifiable information.

If you google about Al Jolani you can see the terrorist orgs he worked for in the first paragraph of his Wikipedia page.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by ebbi »

remarkEon wrote: post #40
submeta wrote: post #13

Western governments do not want democracy in Iran. They want the son of Shah back in Iran, the Shah whose father tortured and exploited Iranians, and that led to the revolution and the rise of the mullahs. The US and Israel want regime change so Israel can dominate the ME. Just like they replaced Assad in Syria by Jolani, a wanted Al Qaeda terrorist who does not oppose Israel in any way but slaughter kurds and alavit…

The US supported, albeit tacitly, the revolution that put the Ayatollahs in power in the first place.

The US also armed the predecessors to the Taliban during the Cold War. What is your point?

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by card_zero »

zjzkshz wrote: post #30
submeta wrote: post #13

Western governments do not want democracy in Iran. They want the son of Shah back in Iran, the Shah whose father tortured and exploited Iranians, and that led to the revolution and the rise of the mullahs. The US and Israel want regime change so Israel can dominate the ME. Just like they replaced Assad in Syria by Jolani, a wanted Al Qaeda terrorist who does not oppose Israel in any way but slaughter kurds and alavit…

I don’t get the downvotes either. Everything you’ve mentioned is pretty easily verifiable and not disputed.

Regime change might not be beneficial to the US, it might be too much trouble.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cj691w2e840t?post=asset%3A8b0d...

"... there will be plenty of voices around Trump advising him to be careful if he does go down that route. The Trump administration would be careful, because the consequences of regime change would be extremely complex ..."

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by kranke155 »

password54321 wrote: post #35

The timing is interesting, this would be much bigger news if the US wasn't on cliff's edge with someone behaving as a dictator.

This likely had some US aid. They are distributing Starlinks to Iranian protestors there and an Israel insider has bet on a strike soon.
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