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Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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> Thought process Given that the language of the thought process can be different from the language of conversation, it’s interesting to consider, along the lines of Sapir–Whorf, whether having LLMs think in a different language than English could yield considerably different results, irrespective of conversation language. (Of course, there is the problem that the training material is predominantly English.)

That "native language" could be arbitrary embeddings.

Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent comment was making a joke about the political situation between Armenia and Turkey.

I briefly considered that but I couldn’t bring myself to countenance that somebody would make light of a bona fide ethnic cleansing.

Oh fuck off. My grandfather survived the Nazi occupation in southern Russia, was playing Hitler in the school theater comedy some 5 years later.

Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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I briefly considered that but I couldn’t bring myself to countenance that somebody would make light of a bona fide ethnic cleansing.

Ethnic cleansing is what Azerbaijan recently did to ethnic Armenian citizens of Azerbaijan (expelling them and stealing their homes when they fled to Armenia). What Turkey did was straight up genocide (forcibly marching them through the desert where many died)

Both of those are genocide, and both of those are ethnic cleansing, and what's the relevance of the other one and why did you even bring it up?

Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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That scene in Independence Day is seeming less far-fetched every passing moment.

The Jeff Goldblum virus one? I believe fans have provided a retroactive explanation that all our computer tech was based on reverse engineering the crashed alien ship, and thus the arch, and abis etc were compatible. It's a movie, so whatever, but considering how easily a single project / vendor / chip / anything breaks compatibility, it's a laughable explanation. Edit: phrasing

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Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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> Thought process Given that the language of the thought process can be different from the language of conversation, it’s interesting to consider, along the lines of Sapir–Whorf, whether having LLMs think in a different language than English could yield considerably different results, irrespective of conversation language. (Of course, there is the problem that the training material is predominantly English.)

I’ve wondered about this more generally (ie, simply prompting in different languages). For example, if I ask for a pasta recipe in Italian, will I get a more authentic recipe than in English? I’m curious if anyone has done much experimenting with this concept. Edit: I looked up Sapir-Whorf after writing. That’s not exactly where my theory started. I’m thinking more about vector embedding. I.e., the same content in di…

The answer is yes, LLMs have different behavior and factual retrieval in different languages.

I had some papers about this open earlier today but closed them so now I can't link them ;(

Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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That scene in Independence Day is seeming less far-fetched every passing moment.

The Jeff Goldblum virus one? I believe fans have provided a retroactive explanation that all our computer tech was based on reverse engineering the crashed alien ship, and thus the arch, and abis etc were compatible. It's a movie, so whatever, but considering how easily a single project / vendor / chip / anything breaks compatibility, it's a laughable explanation. Edit: phrasing

That isn't actually a fan theory, it was actual plot that was cut from the film for time.

Still dumb but not as dumb as what we got.

Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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I'm interested in why Claude loses it's mind here, but also, getting shut down for safety reasons seems entirely foreseeable when the initial request is "how do I make a bomb?"

That wasn't the request, that's how Claude understood the Armenian when it short-circuited.

Re: guys why does armenian completely break Claude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Jeff Goldblum virus one? I believe fans have provided a retroactive explanation that all our computer tech was based on reverse engineering the crashed alien ship, and thus the arch, and abis etc were compatible. It's a movie, so whatever, but considering how easily a single project / vendor / chip / anything breaks compatibility, it's a laughable explanation. Edit: phrasing

That isn't actually a fan theory, it was actual plot that was cut from the film for time. Still dumb but not as dumb as what we got.

Reminds me of how in the original the matrix plot the humans were being used for compute power, but the studio execs decided audiences wouldn't understand it.

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Which is now called Turkiye

It was always called Turkiye in Turkish. I promise to use it in English as soon as Germany becomes Deutschland and Japan becomes Nippon.

I know that this was tongue-in-cheek, but I could imagine living in a world where naming countries as they name themselves is the dominant linguistic convention. Why not call Japan Nippon in a sentence.
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