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Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Without knowing that much about this area, i think https://mosh.org/ is a traditional choice if you need encrypted communication in a high packet loss environment.

UDP is certainly not known to improve traffic reliability in those environments. TCP is

UDP is build your own reliability layer, so its going to depend on how you use it.

[Of course you could say the same thing about TCP i suppose depending on which congestion control algorithm is in use]

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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How likely is it that those "protestors" are US and Israel propped and the plan is to do another regime change via this route? Isn't this "son of the late Shah" a guy from the US?

> How likely is it that those "protestors" are US and Israel propped It's almost sure that both US and Israel are meddling with the current situation. That doesn't mean the situation isn't also started by and wanted by the population. For a comparison point in the past, the civil rights and antiwar movements in the US were grass-roots movements started by local people with legitimate claims. At the same time, opponen…

Iran has a water crisis, and allegedly the economic situation is so bad that people are starting to wonder if it will soon affect their ability to buy food.

Even the Romans knew that if you wanted to stay in power you had to provide bread and circuses.

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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In my experience 80% packet loss makes most common protocols basically unusable. Yes you can still get data out...but many apps will just fail due to timeouts and other things.

I imagine the people with illegal starlink terminals are fairly tech savy and can use custom protocols. Living in Iran they probably already have a lot of experience with vpns and lower level protocols to evade censorship.

I wouldn’t imagine that no. It’s “illegal” but not hard to obtain

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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It's weird how Apple and Google don't get it, while SpaceX does.

Starlink isn't perfect, but at least it doesn't go for "it's so not our problem, we'll just make sure that every single VPN exit point Iranians use is GeoIP'd as Iran in our systems" like Google tends to, or "let's lick every authoritarian boot, we control the app distribution and our users will suck it up" like Apple does. Not even Starlink has the balls to oppose the likes of Russia and China directly - they aren't…

I'm unfortunately inclined to not look at their actions so favourably. They operate solely in jurisdictions where the US state supports open destabilization, and dont where the political ramifications would be too high for the US. Makes them little more than an extension of the US imperialist structure.

And this makes sense for an organization thats so highly reliant on federal support, vs Apple and Google who only have to just stay somewhat in the states good graces.

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Not too surprising, given that Starlink operates in Iran without a permit, "space pirate radio" style, and has something of a habit of making the access free when major protests happen and the government imposes a network blackout. Iranian government and Starlink have no love for each other, clearly. It's a pattern by now: whenever a government wants to do something awful, it shuts down internet access - so that no o…

They "operate" in Iran because of OFAC issues general licenses under the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations (31 CFR Part 560) permitting non-commercial personal communications, including satellite internet for free expression. Starlink activation in 2022 protests and recent events exploited these, as Musk sought formal exemptions for "internet freedom."

And no Tesla factories in Iran I suppose helps too :)

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Starlink isn't perfect, but at least it doesn't go for "it's so not our problem, we'll just make sure that every single VPN exit point Iranians use is GeoIP'd as Iran in our systems" like Google tends to, or "let's lick every authoritarian boot, we control the app distribution and our users will suck it up" like Apple does. Not even Starlink has the balls to oppose the likes of Russia and China directly - they aren't…

I'm unfortunately inclined to not look at their actions so favourably. They operate solely in jurisdictions where the US state supports open destabilization, and dont where the political ramifications would be too high for the US. Makes them little more than an extension of the US imperialist structure. And this makes sense for an organization thats so highly reliant on federal support, vs Apple and Google who only h…

As a private platform, SpaceX did try to draw a line with where their service could be used in Ukraine, but we're talking about Iranian protestors now, a different matter I think. If they were offering a firewall as a service, then what you're saying would be more true.

Apple and Google have done more than just stay in good graces of governments by getting rid of apps governments don't like, they haven't enforced their terms against X, and given tens of millions to Trump's ballroom.

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I candidly thought it wasn’t possible to block Starlink. I guess with motivated actors anything is possible.

If it were impossible, China would've had reason to blow up their satellites in orbit. The US would do the same thing for Chinese satellite ISPs.

Jamming on such a large scale is expensive, but it's hardly impossible.

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