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My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

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Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#41

What’s the advantage of using fiber optics for home networking over 10Gbe Ethernet?

10GbE rj45 (normal ethernet jack) spf modules tend to burn power and get extremely hot, like to the point of burning you if you touch it - the manual for my switch said to leave adjacent ports unoccupied if using one of those. The fiber ones run cool to the touch.

Also, not needing to rerun any cabling if we want to bump up speeds in the future, you just change the laser module on either end. These should be good to >100x current speeds. Not the case with copper.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#42
post #10

Buried under cement/concrete. A good reminder of the benefits of planning to install some conduit.

Came to the thread to see if anyone else had mentioned conduit. It's cheap as chips and saves you a lot of future brick cutting or concrete breaking

I do have PVC conduits under the flooring. You can see the photos here: https://alienchow.dev/post/homelab1/

In theory I can pull a new cable through. But practically it might be tough due to the number of bends (shelter -> wall -> vent -> ceiling -> wall -> floor -> room). In the worst case scenario I can give it a try, but it's probably going to destroy the new fibre cable when I pull it through. For now the connection still works, so I am hoping it doesn't get to the point where I have to give that a try.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#43
post #31

What’s the advantage of using fiber optics for home networking over 10Gbe Ethernet?

Many people believe running fibre between buildings, even in ducts, is safer than running copper because you get opto-isolation from lightning. The second thing is that domestic buildings usually do not come with a consistent ground plane. I worked in a 1960s build purpose made for mainframes and we had ~48v floating between racks at either end of the building and had to do a shitload of work to reground the building…

> The second thing is that domestic buildings usually do not come with a consistent ground plane.

Ordinary unshielded copper Ethernet doesn’t care: it’s transformer-isolated at both ends. Shielded cable may object to carrying any substantial amount of current through the shield.

Anyway, there are a handful of good reasons to use fiber:

- Length. Copper is specced for 100m. Panduit will sell fancy copper cable that they pinky-swear works for Ethernet at 150m. Single mode fiber will work at silly long distances.

- High bandwidth. Copper will do 10Gbps. High speed specs exist, but there is approximately zero commercial availability of anything beyond 10G using copper at any appreciable distance. Fiber has no such problems.

IMO if you are running fiber anywhere that makes it awkward to replace (i.e. not just within a single room), use single mode. Multimode fiber has gone through ~5 revisions over the last few decades, and the earlier ones have very unimpressive bandwidth capabilities at any reasonable distance. Even the latest version, where truly heroic engineering has gone into reducing modal dispersion, relies on fancy multistrand cables for the faster Ethernet speeds. Single-mode fiber, meanwhile, continues to work very well and supports truly huge bandwidth at rather long distances, and even decades-old fiber supports the latest standards. And the transceivers for single-mode fiber are no longer much more expensive than multimode transceivers.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#44

What’s the advantage of using fiber optics for home networking over 10Gbe Ethernet?

Also much lower power and heat.

This is the most compelling reason (unless you really need the range of fiber) - 10GbE can be really power hungry. Each 10G switch port that is in use adds something like 1-5 watts to the power budget. 1 watt is reasonable but most switch hardware isn't nearly that efficient. That could mean 10 watts for every single link if you're using 5 watts at each end. Multiply that by several links and it starts to add up really quickly.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came to the thread to see if anyone else had mentioned conduit. It's cheap as chips and saves you a lot of future brick cutting or concrete breaking

I do have PVC conduits under the flooring. You can see the photos here: https://alienchow.dev/post/homelab1/ In theory I can pull a new cable through. But practically it might be tough due to the number of bends (shelter -> wall -> vent -> ceiling -> wall -> floor -> room). In the worst case scenario I can give it a try, but it's probably going to destroy the new fibre cable when I pull it through. For now the connec…

Fair enough! I had a cursory search in the post for mention of conduit and couldn't see anything obvious so wasn't sure.

AFAIK fibre cable should be pretty flexible, though not a massive fan of tension.

From memory bends shouldn't be less than 5cm radius or thereabouts so it depends on your conduit size!

Nice post btw, appreciate the detailed planning involved.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#46

What’s the advantage of using fiber optics for home networking over 10Gbe Ethernet?

If they're using spf+, it's almost certainly ethernet on the fiber. Do you mean, why not use copper twisted pair?

Ethernet runs on many mediums, as well as over the ether.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

#47
post #4

If you buy a consumer product labeled "military grade" you are buying snake oil. And not just snake oil, incredibly over priced snake oil.

Military grade: mass produced by the lowest bidder

I only use handmade artisanal networking equipment.

Re: My Home Fibre Network Disintegrated

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post #4

If you buy a consumer product labeled "military grade" you are buying snake oil. And not just snake oil, incredibly over priced snake oil.

Military grade: mass produced by the lowest bidder

There are plenty of things where mil spec is extremely strict and high quality. They wont be sold to consumers as they are priced accordingly
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