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Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by Symbiote »

dmitrygr wrote: post #35
ryandrake wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were people on HN defending it. Although I'm sure they're 99% defending Musk, and only because they reflexively jump into defense mode any time one of his companies' wrongdoing is discussed. If it were Adobe's or Microsoft's products generating CSAM, you wouldn't hear a peep out of them

I will defend absolute freedom of all speech by Musk and against Musk. By Adobe and against Adobe. My Microsoft and against Microsoft. By you and against you. By me and against me. Unlike many who merely theorize about this from their armchairs, I've lived in a place without free speech and I know what that leads to, how fast, and how hard it is to get out of that hole. There is no such thing as "let's just have a li…

You should be explicit here;

Should it be legal to (1) create and (2) distribute an AI generated sexual image of a (1) 18 year old, (2) 12 year old? (In both cases without their consent.)

What about a real photograph?

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by sph »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #40
harel wrote: post #19

I don't know what happened that the UK got to the state it is in. It's not just a war on "general computing" as someone said here. It feels like a war on the "general population".

A term I learnt recently: "Anarcho-Tyranny" From Gemini: "The concept was coined in the early 1990s by political theorist Samuel Francis. He described it as a state where the government performs its basic duty of public safety poorly (allowing "anarchy" among criminals) but creates a web of bureaucracy and surveillance to control the innocent (imposing "tyranny" on the law-abiding)." This is exactly I how feel.

Let's not insult the good name of anarchism by comparing it to the State, or worse, comparing it to a failing and quasi-totalitarian State, please.

It's not anarcho-tyranny. This is simply the end game of an ever-growing State that has become bloated, greedy and unaccountable to the public it is supposed to serve.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by sph »

OgsyedIE wrote: post #23
harel wrote: post #19

I don't know what happened that the UK got to the state it is in. It's not just a war on "general computing" as someone said here. It feels like a war on the "general population".

There's a kind of new aristocratic class developing a broad ideology of anti-populism in power in the UK. The majority of politicians are drawn from backgrounds, or familial backgrounds, in the British news media and get careers there for themselves or their spouses after leaving government. The majority of senior news media personnel, in journalism or management, are drawn from the political establishment in the sam…

Johnson and Starmer are from a "broad ideology of anti-populism"?

Utter nonsense. They are the very definition of populism. Johnson appealing to the hoi polloi with the wishful thinking of Brexit, Starmer running his government on opinion polls rather than pragmatism and a modicum of consistency, to the point of turning Labour into Tory-lite selling its soul just to capture a little more mind share, but effectively becoming hateful for both sides.

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Post by stuaxo »

Uzomidy wrote: post #39
like_any_other wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turns out no, quite the opposite - if anything, Labour thinks these laws didn't go far enough. That's basically how the news, including the BBC, tend to report on these laws. "Some think they are good. Others think they don't go far enough. Experts say risk remains." Never ever do they interview the EFF.

The BBC was always pretty establishment, but now they're very afraid of seeming “left wing”, and so we get this…

Since Cameron threatened them, they have been much more tightly under the central gov influence.

The editorial team for news has always been full of Tories (including some that either have tried running as MPs, were in the young conservatives etc).

When the left complains about the BBC they mean its news and political coverage.

The right doesn't like the diversity in its comedy shows.

These are two pretty different concerns.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by stuaxo »

dmitrygr wrote: post #34
michaelt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. I had hoped Labour would roll back the anti-protest legislation, snooper's charter, internet censorship and voter ID laws. After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting. Turns out no, quite the oppos…

> After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting Quite a mistake to think politicians would act to better anyone's lives, including those who helped elect them.

Labour purged pretty much everyone on the left.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by overfeed »

dmitrygr wrote: post #35
ryandrake wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were people on HN defending it. Although I'm sure they're 99% defending Musk, and only because they reflexively jump into defense mode any time one of his companies' wrongdoing is discussed. If it were Adobe's or Microsoft's products generating CSAM, you wouldn't hear a peep out of them

I will defend absolute freedom of all speech by Musk and against Musk. By Adobe and against Adobe. My Microsoft and against Microsoft. By you and against you. By me and against me. Unlike many who merely theorize about this from their armchairs, I've lived in a place without free speech and I know what that leads to, how fast, and how hard it is to get out of that hole. There is no such thing as "let's just have a li…

Unbelievable. Caping pedophelia on main - no throw-away. Is this were society is now?

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by weebull »

michaelt wrote: post #10
cedws wrote: post #3

Nobody voted for this. I'm pretty cynical about both the current and previous government, but it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. There was chatter but it was met with resistance. Now it feels like the discussion is being squashed and there are invisible forces at work. If by some miracle the UK and EU agree on a new Youth Mob…

> it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. I had hoped Labour would roll back the anti-protest legislation, snooper's charter, internet censorship and voter ID laws. After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting. Turns out no, quite the oppos…

As Blair got most institutionalised to the world of politics he became more and more authoritarian. Starmer appears to be listening to Blair who is now even worse than he was as PM.

Labour generally has a "paternalistic authoritarianism" to they way they govern, but this is dialed to 11.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by harel »

OgsyedIE wrote: post #23
harel wrote: post #19

I don't know what happened that the UK got to the state it is in. It's not just a war on "general computing" as someone said here. It feels like a war on the "general population".

There's a kind of new aristocratic class developing a broad ideology of anti-populism in power in the UK. The majority of politicians are drawn from backgrounds, or familial backgrounds, in the British news media and get careers there for themselves or their spouses after leaving government. The majority of senior news media personnel, in journalism or management, are drawn from the political establishment in the sam…

I don't presume to know the reasons. I want to believe that "leaders" just have their own misguided view as to what is "good for the country". That is, no malice, just gross incompetence. Maybe I'm naive. I don't know.

What I do know and is more and more apparent to me, is that the current systems of world relating to governance, here in the UK, no longer work. Not fit for purpose. Broken beyond repair. Scary.

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Post by pipes »

michaelt wrote: post #10
cedws wrote: post #3

Nobody voted for this. I'm pretty cynical about both the current and previous government, but it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. There was chatter but it was met with resistance. Now it feels like the discussion is being squashed and there are invisible forces at work. If by some miracle the UK and EU agree on a new Youth Mob…

> it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. I had hoped Labour would roll back the anti-protest legislation, snooper's charter, internet censorship and voter ID laws. After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting. Turns out no, quite the oppos…

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Taking-Liberties-Chris-Atkins/dp/19...

Read this around 2007ish, shocked by what the previous labour government did, so I had zero hope this lot would be any different and it's worse than I thought possible.

Re: UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors

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Post by OgsyedIE »

sph wrote: post #43
OgsyedIE wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a kind of new aristocratic class developing a broad ideology of anti-populism in power in the UK. The majority of politicians are drawn from backgrounds, or familial backgrounds, in the British news media and get careers there for themselves or their spouses after leaving government. The majority of senior news media personnel, in journalism or management, are drawn from the political establishment in the sam…

Johnson and Starmer are from a "broad ideology of anti-populism"? Utter nonsense. They are the very definition of populism. Johnson appealing to the hoi polloi with the wishful thinking of Brexit, Starmer running his government on opinion polls rather than pragmatism and a modicum of consistency, to the point of turning Labour into Tory-lite selling its soul just to capture a little more mind share, but effectively b…

Compare the appearances and the policies, if you like.
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